PostGame Thread OFFICIAL POSTGAME THREAD: Patriots Beat the Giants 33-15 (10th Straight Win)

[TheRainMaker]

If 7 of the other 15 were 6-6 or better we couldn’t clinch at 11-2 unless we had a heart head tie breaker over a 6 loss team.
It’s almost impossible to clinch at 11-2 especially when you haven’t had a bye yet so most teams have only played 12 games.

The extra regular season game is another reason. If it were the prior set up, they'd already clinch.

 

[Real fan 02]

The reason why they haven't clinched is because there are currently too many teams with at least a .500 record in the AFC. As of right now, there's 10 out of 16 teams. If the Steelers, Ravens and Bills lose, they are in.

Oh, yes of course I totally understand that there's a scenario and ect the NFL goes by. However I just personally felt it's asinine for any NFL team that is currently leading the NFL in wins has to literally get to what 12 wins to even merely make a Beth. But it is what it is I guess.

 

[Ring 6]

The extra regular season game is another reason. If it were the prior set up, they'd already clinch.

They still would not have.
Buffalo, LA, Indy/Jax, and Houston all have 5 or fewer losses and are not division leaders.

 

[Ring 6]

Oh, yes of course I totally understand that there's a scenario and ect the NFL goes by. However I just personally felt it's asinine for any NFL team that is currently leading the NFL in wins has to literally get to what 12 wins to even merely make a Beth. But it is what it is I guess.

How is math asinine? You are arguing that math is a stupid rule.

FYI they wouldn’t have clinched if they were 12-1 either. It’s just too early.

 

[Real fan 02]

They still would not have.
Buffalo, LA, Indy/Jax, and Houston all have 5 or fewer losses and are not division leaders.

There's 17 games in a season right? We have won 11 of them... so should we have to win 17 in order to clinch?

 

[Real fan 02]

The extra regular season game is another reason. If it were the prior set up, they'd already clinch.

100% correct. You made a excellent point.

 

[TheRainMaker]

They still would not have.
Buffalo, LA, Indy/Jax, and Houston all have 5 or fewer losses and are not division leaders.

100% correct. You made a excellent point.

I thought I was right, but Ring 6 is correct. If the Pats lost the remaining 3 games (let's say for this example they don't play the Ravens) and everyone else excluding the Ravens/Steelers only lost one game, the Pats would be eliminated due to a 6-5 AFC record. However, the likelihood of Buffalo, LA, Indy and Jacksonville all losing less than one games is slim to none just like the Pats not making the playoffs in 2008. KC and Houston have already helped NE by beating Indy. The South and AFC West are more likely to beat up each other than the Pats losing to Buffalo, Miami and NY.

 

[Ring 6]

There's 17 games in a season right? We have won 11 of them... so should we have to win 17 in order to clinch?

Wow.
Dude it’s math.
To clinch there has to be no possible scenario where you miss the playoffs.
If you have 11 wins and 7 teams make the playoffs out of 16, in order to clinch there would have to be 9 teams with no chance to win 11 games.
In a 17 game league that means 9 teams would have to have more than 6 losses.

You can take away the AFCN winner so that means there are 6 spots.

If the Patriots lose out they would be 11-6.
If the following teams win all of there games they would be better than 11-6

Buffalo
LA
Denver
Houston
Jax
Indy

If 6 non AFCN teams win more than 11 games and the patriots lose out, they will not make the playoffs.

6-6 teams are also still capable of finishing higher than the Patriots pending tiebreakers.

Put another way. We have a 3.5 game lead on the current 8 seed. We have 4 games left they have 5. They can gain 4.5 games in us and overtake us.

It’s not something the NFL does, it’s math. The term is literally MATHEMATICALLY ELIMINATED.

Until the 8th seeded team has no mathematical chance to catch us (that is if they win out and we lose out they still don’t catch us) we haven’t clinched.

 

[Ring 6]

I thought I was right, but Ring 6 is correct. If the Pats lost the remaining 3 games (let's say for this example they don't play the Ravens) and everyone else excluding the Ravens/Steelers only lost one game, the Pats would be eliminated due to a 6-5 AFC record. However, the likelihood of Buffalo, LA, Indy and Jacksonville all losing less than one games is slim to none just like the Pats not making the playoffs in 2008. KC and Houston have already helped NE by beating Indy. The South and AFC West are more likely to beat up each other than the Pats losing to Buffalo, Miami and NY.

AFCN isn’t relevant.
If it were a 16 game season we would be worst case 11-5
Buffalo best case 12-4 division win and LA, Indy/jax best case is 12-4 with Houston best case 11-5, and I am not assuming we win the tie breaker.

It’s possible with head to heads between Indy, Jax and Houston that we would have clinched because they may not all be able to end up with only 5 losses, plus who knows the tie breaker.

We wouldn’t be challenged by KC or anyone from the N in a 16 game season because we would be worst case 11-5 and they have lost 6 already.

I’m guessing if you ran all the machinations it’s most likely the S would eliminate one of its 3 by head to heads or we would hold the tie breaker, so your original claim may be right but I wouldn’t want to do the work to see.

 

[denverpatsfan]

11 wins won't get them in??!!
That's ****ing absurd
There could be a 9 win Cincy team in the playoffs.

 

[BobDigital]

Lowe & behold….

Sometimes you hear about guying playing hurt for a year... but then they don't play better next year. And you think 'sure, i guess they were really 'hurt' more like excuses and the club trying to pump their tires or their agent trying to up the price. Watching Lowe play that night made me believe it was true. He probably was hurt last year. And if he can play like this maybe their back up tackle spot isn't all that bad off. Wasn't he matched up with the very competent Brian Burns most of the night? Made him look pretty invisible.

 

[Ring 6]

11 wins won't get them in??!!
That's ****ing absurd
There could be a 9 win Cincy team in the playoffs.

11 wins will get them in except under a 0.001% scenario where about 50 games all must go a certain way for them to not get it.

 

[BobDigital]

People worried about the clinching stuff need to relax. We are talking powerball likelihood that a team takes our spot. It will be worked out without the Pats even needing to play a snap this weekend. But I don't care about a playoff spot. Getting in as the WC as this point be a disaster anyway. I want to clinch the division and a bye. But failing that I want to reach week 17 with the #2 seed locked up so we can sit our guys. If we beat Buffalo that pretty much happens.

The Buffalo win is important 2 fold. One is it keeps up in the first seed race and likely in the drivers seat for it even though we Denver has the tie breakers due to schedule... but it also makes it so that in the worst case we can probably sit week 17 even if we lose one of the next 2 games. Not as good as a bye, but next best thing.

 

[dliverey44]

Sleepy head

that is post nut sleepy time

 

[TommyD4207]

Wow.
Dude it’s math.
To clinch there has to be no possible scenario where you miss the playoffs.
If you have 11 wins and 7 teams make the playoffs out of 16, in order to clinch there would have to be 9 teams with no chance to win 11 games.
In a 17 game league that means 9 teams would have to have more than 6 losses.

You can take away the AFCN winner so that means there are 6 spots.

If the Patriots lose out they would be 11-6.
If the following teams win all of there games they would be better than 11-6

Buffalo
LA
Denver
Houston
Jax
Indy

If 6 non AFCN teams win more than 11 games and the patriots lose out, they will not make the playoffs.

6-6 teams are also still capable of finishing higher than the Patriots pending tiebreakers.

Put another way. We have a 3.5 game lead on the current 8 seed. We have 4 games left they have 5. They can gain 4.5 games in us and overtake us.

It’s not something the NFL does, it’s math. The term is literally MATHEMATICALLY ELIMINATED.

Until the 8th seeded team has no mathematical chance to catch us (that is if they win out and we lose out they still don’t catch us) we haven’t clinched.

I appreciate you trying, but some people just see numbers and their brain turns to mush.

The Patriots currently have a better than 99% chance to make the playoffs (so says the math), a couple of games go their way on the bye week, they'll clinch a playoff spot. They'll clinch the division when they beat Buffalo again no matter what happens.

 

[Mike the Brit]

What did the Vagiants fan think of that possibility?

“I could see that, if not actually disgruntled, he was far from being gruntled.” (P.G. Wodehouse)

 

[manxman2601]

Porno.

If that’s a request, I’m afraid I can’t help.

 

[SlowGettingUp]

Watch this - big focus on "Tay" (who is apparently Mapu) as key blocker:

 

[TommyD4207]

Watch this - big focus on "Tay" (who is apparently Mapu) as key blocker:

Mapu low-key had his best game as a Patriot on Monday, imo.

 

[Patsfanin Philly]

Pats are home dogs to the Bills.

*rubs hands together with glee*

I wonder if that would change if Cinn upsets Buff this week. Burrow is 2-0 vs Buf in his career and Higgins is back practicing....