OFFICIAL 2024 League Cutdown Day Discussion

[PatsFan2]

This is not the worst set of IOL's ever.

IOL's
ONWENU - well above average
ANDREWS - above average
SOW - above average and may be out for awhile
ROBINSON - an OK backup RT, OK as a starter (which is fine for a rookie)
LEVERETT - should be the #6 IOL, a backup at OC and OG (Andrews should be the #5, a backup center)
JAKE ANDREWS - well below average as a starter
STRANGE - below average and out for most of the season
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We lost Andrews. Sow is injured. Jordan or a waiver player is a replacement.
We are likely to add a center in 2025, and extend Sow,
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I like the future guards: Onwenu, Sow, and Robinson
Yes, we need to see if Andrews is our future center but will bring in competition.
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Robinson is back up who should start soon.

 

[mgteich]

He’s better than some of the guys currently on the roster.

not at LT
We have Lowe and Wallace as our starter and swing OT.

We need two LT's, a starter and a backup.

 

[Ross12]

 

[Ian]

 

[oceansizer]

Talented troublemaker.

 

[Ross12]

Bias for his name aside, I actually think he's a little underrated.

 

[Ian]

Apparently, the report on Cincy's release of Myles Murphy is bogus, based on what I've seen. We'll see if it changes.

 

[mgteich]

I stand by what I said.

But here's one search that has 3 of our LBs listed in top 32

PFF Linebacker Rankings: Top 32 ahead of the 2024 NFL season

We rank the top 32 linebackers ahead of the 2024 season, beginning with the San Francisco 49ers' Fred Warner.

www.pff.com

We need to distinguish between inside and OLB/DE's.

ILB
Tavai, Bentley, McMillan, Giles-Harris, Takitaki (PUP)

OLB/DE
White, Jennings, Uche, Elliss, Ximines
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Our ILB's are solid, especially with McMillan healthy. Of course, we still could sign a 4th.
Our OLB's are decidedly a weakness, NOT a strength. Only the first two are even near average.
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BOTTOM LINE
We could (but won't) sign FOUR LB's and we would not really miss those who are replaced.
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AS AN ASIDE
We could replace Pharms and/or Hill and they would not be missed. Some would add Ekuale.

 

[DaBruinz]

Classic Marxist Technique: Accuse your opponent of that which you are, or have done/are doing/will do.

I'm not you. You're the one blathering on about how the Pats should have signed the worst starting OT in the league as if it's some brilliant idea.

Here are the stats for the guy you were saying the Pats should add:

Jonah Williams:
2022 - 12 sacks, 6 hits, 25 hurries = 43 pressures
2023 - 8 sacks, 10 hits, 23 hurries = 41 pressures.

20 sacks and 16 hits in 2 years.. And you think that's someone who should be signed?

While Okorafor gave up 41 pressures, it was only 3 sacks and 5 hits in 2022 as a starter.. Okorafor gave up 2 sacks and 9 hurries in 7 starts last year.

Williams got a 2yr/$30M contract from AZ. Pats signed Okorafor for a 1yr/$4M deal.

 

[Ian]

 

[DaBruinz]

Desmond Ridder sent packing by Cardinals..

Cardinals release QB Desmond Ridder months after trade; Clayton Tune to back up Kyler Murray

 

[Toofy]

Kid can't stay healthy. 2 trips to the IR and spent the entirety of last season on PUP.

I think he had a personal tragedy too. Dad in fire accident I believe...

 

[Pape]

NT Siaki Ika cut. I would love to pick this kid up. 3nd rd pick last year. I see Barmore , Ika , and Godchaux possibly wrecking havoc

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Tell me more... I'd look him up, but am sitting on the beach right about now... Not really following what's going on on cut down day...

 

[dliverey44]

Ricky Stromberg was released, possible backup center.

 

[Ring 6]

I stand by what I said.

But here's one search that has 3 of our LBs listed in top 32

PFF Linebacker Rankings: Top 32 ahead of the 2024 NFL season

We rank the top 32 linebackers ahead of the 2024 season, beginning with the San Francisco 49ers' Fred Warner.

www.pff.com

That’s search also lists zero of our IDL or edge players
The data you chose doesn’t support your argument

 

[upstater1]

NEVER MIND: THE SPORTING NEWS DELIBERATELY POSTED A FALSE HEADLINE WITH THE NEWS BELOW:

We traded a 6th for Larry Borom of the Bears. This is pretty rich for a guy who was about to be cut. It signals extreme dislike for the guys we already have. I mean, we drafted Sow, Mafi, Robinson, Wallace, signed Leverett, Jordan, and now you're trading a 6th for a guy who can't get off the bench for a team that was notoriously bad at pass blocking?

 

[Ring 6]

This is not the worst set of IOL's ever.

IOL's
ONWENU - well above average
ANDREWS - above average
SOW - above average and may be out for awhile
ROBINSON - an OK backup RT, OK as a starter (which is fine for a rookie)
LEVERETT - should be the #6 IOL, a backup at OC and OG (Andrews should be the #5, a backup center)
JAKE ANDREWS - well below average as a starter
STRANGE - below average and out for most of the season
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We lost Andrews. Sow is injured. Jordan or a waiver player is a replacement.
We are likely to add a center in 2025, and extend Sow,
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I like the future guards: Onwenu, Sow, and Robinson
Yes, we need to see if Andrews is our future center but will bring in competition.
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Honestly?
Isn’t Onwenu paying T?
Andrews above average is a stretch.
Sow above average is comical.
How is Robinson OK as a starter? He blew chunks playing against Washington’s 2s as did leverett. Both were physically dominated by backups.

And I didn’t say the worst IOL ever, I said the worst OL we have had in 30ish years. Care to name a worse one?

 

[Ring 6]

We traded a 6th for Larry Borom of the Bears. This is pretty rich for a guy who was about to be cut. It signals extreme dislike for the guys we already have. I mean, we drafted Sow, Mafi, Robinson, Wallace, signed Leverett, Jordan, and now you're trading a 6th for a guy who can't get off the bench for a team that was notoriously bad at pass blocking?

He’s cheap

 

[Ring 6]

The fung wah bus ticket is probably worth more than him as a player.

lol my kids used to love seeing the Fung wa bus.

 

[mgteich]

Honestly?
Isn’t Onwenu paying T?
Andrews above average is a stretch.
Sow above average is comical.
How is Robinson OK as a starter? He blew chunks playing against Washington’s 2s as did leverett. Both were physically dominated by backups.

And I didn’t say the worst IOL ever, I said the worst OL we have had in 30ish years. Care to name a worse one?

fair enough

Yes, we are considerably weaker with Onwenu at T.