OT: Dolphins Owner Steven Ross Suspended, Picks Forfeited, For Tampering With Brady, Payton

[sb1]

The league has acknowledged that players representing themselves are "agents". Agents are certainly not allowed to tamper.

Like I said I don't know what the details are here so I'll reserve judgement.

 

[Froob]

Did he croak?

 

[VectorPrime]

Dolphins just put out a statement responding to Flores’ statement and uhh it’s a bad look.

 

[Patsgofor4]

A lot of speculation in this thread. We have no idea how much time Brady spent talking to anyone in the Dolphins organization in 2019. They were pursuing him but he may have been saying he'll decide later. We don't know. At the end of the day he chose Tampa Bay so whatever those talks were between him and the Dolphins obviously didn't go to far.

 

[TheRainMaker]

So why didn't Tom and Peyton end up with the Dolphins?

 

[goheels22002]

Brady isn't a team. There's no rule against a player tampering.

No, but I guarantee you that Brady violated the terms of his contract during his last season for meeting with these guys.

 

[Kasmir]

My biggest question is, why did Brady want to go to the DOlphins of all teams? Was it because of Ross specifically, or did he just want to stick it to Belichick...my guess it's the latter.

Certainly disposes of the question of obligatory fan loyalty to Tommy. He couldn't give a crap about Patriots fans.

 

[Guts]

So why didn't Tom and Peyton end up with the Dolphins?

Brian Flores

 

[VectorPrime]

So why didn't Tom and Peyton end up with the Dolphins?

That might be the most amusing part.

 

[SHOWTIME15]

Certainly disposes of the question of obligatory fan loyalty to Tommy. He couldn't give a crap about Patriots fans.

Like i've been saying for the past two years, Brady cares about Brady. He doesn't care about the guy wearing his jersey or trying to get his autograph or anyone else.

 

[Boomer B]

Don't You have a picture of BB to satisfy yourself with?

 

[TheRainMaker]

Brian Flores

He was gone. There really is no real explanation.

 

[patsfan13]

Exactly. It was no secret he was going to be a free agent and as far as he was concerned the Pats passed on the opportunity he gave them to lock him longterm. There was no scenario where he was staying here after that. And any small glimmer of hope was gone when he actually saw how awful the offense was.

Him talking to the Dolphins did not effect us because we weren’t keeping him. The Bucs on the other hand have him locked up and he was maneuvering to leave them. That’s a different thing and they have much more of a reason to be upset after they gave him the contract he wanted, gave him control, and rolled out the red carpet.

Though there is no proof at this time, since he tanked the 2019 season what is to say he didn't start shopping for a new team prior to August 2019?

 

[VectorPrime]

Lol

 

[Guts]

He was gone. There really is no real explanation.

After 2019 the Bucs was the better option

2021 the contract he signed with the Bucs plus the Brian Flores situation made it impossible.

 

[Guts]

Though there is no proof at this time, since he tanked the 2019 season what is to say he didn't start shopping for a new team prior to August 2019?

12-4 season isn't tanking and was a defensive stop away from getting a bye

 

[DaBruinz]

The punishment for Ross is appropriate. Could it be more? Sure. They overlooked the Flo tanking ask but whatever.

I've never viewed Tom negatively for wanting to leave here. He had enough just like Bill had enough but it doesn't make what Tom did right or appropriate.

However I do have a problem with him meeting Ross before the start of the 2019 season - his last one here. Maybe Tom knew 2019 was his last here and I get he wanted to find a new landing spot sooner than later. OK fine. The real issue I have is it potentially compromised any opportunity for Tom to stay. What if BB/Tom/Bob didn't reach some kind of understanding back in February/March of 2020 because of what Ross told him? In the end I don't think the Ross meeting pulled Tom further away but it sure didn't help the Patriots who at the time had his rights, was under contract and had some negotiations (if you call take it our leave it a negotiation) with Tom.

In the regular world, people interview for jobs all the time while employed. My guess is that was Tom's point of view. I get it. Could this be perceived is disloyal to Bob? Yep but Bob wasn't exactly providing motivation for Tom to stay.

I think it would be fair if the Fins were forced to give up a pick or two to the NEP. You don't ***** with another team's franchise QB under contract.

I will not call Tom a traitor but what he did does have a sleazy feel to it.

There are companies that will fire you if they find out you're looking for another job. Because they don't want you to "taint the well".
And the NFL isn't the "real world". They have a closed system. That's been the players argument numerous times during CBA discussions.

Unfortunately for Tom, this will taint his legacy even more and there will be people who supported him that will step back and review his actions in "DeflateGate" with more scrutiny.

 

[SHOWTIME15]

Don't You have a picture of BB to satisfy yourself with?

Whatever you say, Vancouver Boy...shouldn't you be following the Canucks?

 

[Hammer of Thor]

So why didn't Tom and Peyton end up with the Dolphins?

The Flores accusation came out, and it would have been a horrible look to proceed at that point.

Why Brady didn’t sign with the Dolphins in 2020? That’s not known yet. Maybe he didn’t think they were ready to compete; we know there was a long form article about Brady’s free agency process where he took a long look at teams’ rosters in determining his team; he certainly didn’t want to go through a rebuilding process. Maybe he had enough respect for Kraft that he didn’t want to be viewed as betraying him like Favre was perceived to betray GB while playing for the Vikings?

 

[goheels22002]

Maybe Bill and Bob knew Tom talked to Ross and took a hard line with him because of it.

That is a very interesting point. We all wondered why Belichick held the line on the contract and not franchising him. It also runs directly to the the timing of the decision to give Jimmy Garappolo away for nothing. Once that happened, Brady figured he could do whatever he wanted outside the organization.

What if Belichick had traded Brady to Miami for a a fistful of draft picks and just went with Jimmy G as his starter?