Mac Jones & the offense: Signs of improvement?

[captain stone]

The reason Licht is doing well as GM is because of Brady. Brady is the one who attracted all their free agents to sign in Tampa. Gimme a break.

I generally agree; however...

Wirfs is good. Winfield? LOL.

One of the two starting Safeties on the NFL All-Rookie Defensive Team (Jeremy Chinn being the other - also drafted after Dugger, btw) is definitely Not LOL-worthy by any means.

 

[Brotherblues]

Yeah his throws are protected. He is held back, which means he is throwing quick outs, short over the middle. His average pass depth is 27th in the league, so yeah, I came to that conclusion that his completion pct is higher becuase of that reason. So does anyone else who knows anything about football. Sorry you want to shut your ears off to anyone who disagrees with you.

So you want him get the play calls and performance of year 3 Brady? I don't understand you.

 

[sb1]

Mac Jones' stats are remarkably similar to the 1st overall pick, Trevor Lawrence:

Mac: 1476 yards, 7 TDs, 6 INTs, 71.1% completion

Lawrence: 1465 yards, 7 TDs, 8 INTs, 61% completion

That says a lot more about the coaching they're getting and the team around them than it does about the QB's.
Imagine what Lawrence would do here on a BB and McDaniels coached team. The reins are on Mac. I'm not sure they would be as tightly on Lawrence.

I'm not saying Mac is a flop or the Pats should have picked another QB - but I'd trade Mac for Lawrence right now without a second thought if that offer was made.

 

[Huckleberry1]

Ziegler was literally the one who looked at nfl players before Caserio went to Houston. Was literally his job. Stop being in denial. Even if Ziegler tries to backtrack from all the crappy moves and drafts his 2 John Carroll football teammates did for 6 years from 2013-2019, the Sanu for a 2nd rounder is all him, cannot hide from it. And this crappy free agency spending spree is also all Ziegler. BB is surrounded by a bad front office and offensive staff.

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Eliot Wolf is the reason Brady left for Tampa Bay, Belichick wanted to re-sign him but Wolf said no, we are going with Mac Jones when he graduates from Alabama. Stop being in denial, it’s true, look it up.

 

[Pape]

I thought to myself yesterday, despite the way we lost, there is football after Brady in New England.

That future is Mac Jones.

So stats show what they show. Some stats mean more than others. Some mean squat. So far, he's passed the eye test. He doesn't let mistakes bother him. He plays heads up football for the most part. All that stuff will get better with experience.

so yeah... Mac effing Jones is the man.

@TB12TheGoat

Care to share why you disagree? Or is that just a drive-by disagree borne out of the pathetic need and desire to keep propping TB up regardless of the fact 1. I never denigrate Brady and what he has done for this team 2. The pathetic need to jump on another teams bandwagon because Brady made the decision to leave and you cannot deal with losing your binky and must let everyone know your heart is filled with pink hat love for tb12 no matter where he plays?

Or is it you just don't like Mac Jones?

 

[Vataha]

The odds of Jones being as good as Brady are astronomical against it. So I think it is safe to say it won't be as good as it was.

But I don't see anyone saying he is in the top ten. People are just encouraged what we have seen thus far. In some ways, he has exceeded even some of the most optimistic expectations of the guy in his first season. But that doesn't mean people are anointing him a top QB in the league.

The former GOAT was replaced by a hall of famer.

 

[Ice_Ice_Brady]

Mac10 posts suspiciously like an organizational schill.

Licht is light years better than Ziegler. It's not even close. Licht drafted Wirf, Winfield, rebuilt the whole team and just won a ring. Meanwhile Ziegler blew $300M on mostly mediocre free agents and before that oversaw the Sanu trade for a 2nd rounder. A total dead weight in the front office.

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The problem is no one could possibly spend all the 2021 offseason money with any type of efficiency. If you go into the offseason with that much money, to spend on a bunch of mid-tier guys who weren’t good enough to be franchised/extended, you’ve already lost.

 

[Pape]

@TB12TheGoat

just what i thought... nutless pinkhat u are

 

[patsinthesnow]

Last 4 games on offense:

31.3 PPG
383 YPG
6.3 yards per play

Say it is the competition if you want. It doesn’t change the fact the QB is playing at a top 10 level & the offense had arguably it’s best month of football since september 2019.

 

[ivanvamp]

To add more detail to this...

Last four games:

31-40 (77.5%), 275 yds, 2 td, 1 int, 101.6 rating, team scores 17 points in the rain vs TB
23-30 (76.7%), 231 yds, 1 td, 1 int, 95.3 rating, team scores 25 points at Hou
15-21 (71.4%), 229 yds, 2 td, 1 int, 118.9 rating, team scores 29 points vs Dal
24-36 (66.7%), 307 yds, 2 td, 0 int, 111.7 rating, team scores 54 points vs NYJ

TOT: 93-127 (73.2%), 1,042 yds, 8.2 y/a, 7 td, 3 int, 105.8 rating, team averaging 31.3 points a game

 

[upstater1]

I wouldn't want Leftwich here. He's awful Do you even watch Bucs games? With that much talent you'd think they'd be less predictable,or try to space the field. Brady is always throwing into coverage. They always run on first down.

I just wan to put this up here because I saw today's Bucs result coming weeks ago. Leftwich and Arians are showing how mediocre (being generous here) they really are. Something has broken with the Bucs offense. You cant have all that talent and look that crappy.

 

[Bfanlc]

Did Mac hurt anybody this week? Didn't know if he hurt a 300 lb lineman's pinkie or something.

 

[n1997y]

Did Mac hurt anybody this week? Didn't know if he hurt a 300 lb lineman's pinkie or something.

I think he inflicted great psychic damage to many Cleveland players.

 

[Betterthanmost]

First game I saw consistent game winning/drive moving throws from Mac that gives me tremendous confidence in our pick.

 

[jdlboot14]

Mac's at 13TD / 7INT.
With 7 games to go, what does he end up with?

Conservative = 24/12. (which would be similar to Brady's first 6 year average)

 

[scott99]

Pats scored 96 points the first 5 games, average of 19.2 points a game.

Pats scored 179 points the last 5 games, average of 35.8 points a game.

Obviously some defensive scores in there, but they are improving big time offensively. The weapons they signed in the offseason, are becoming a big time factor, especially Henry and Bourne. The Oline also figured it out, and now with Brown back, wow, they are dominating.

 

[moejr]

I just wan to put this up here because I saw today's Bucs result coming weeks ago. Leftwich and Arians are showing how mediocre (being generous here) they really are. Something has broken with the Bucs offense. You cant have all that talent and look that crappy.

2 of their big play makers are riding the bench with injuries and their D isn’t able to get a stop when they need it.

 

[Kasmir]

2 of their big play makers are riding the bench with injuries and their D isn’t able to get a stop when they need it.

And Tom has to be near the end of his physical rope. His longevity and drive are unparalleled, but at his age the wear and tear of the season has to be getting to him.

 

[upstater1]

2 of their big play makers are riding the bench with injuries and their D isn’t able to get a stop when they need it.

I'm really only referring to Brady and the WRs. The Bucs coaches simply refuse to take advantage of the space underneath. Even when Brady goes short or to his backs (which he does a lot of) he is always looking downfield a while before he defaults to his 3rd or 4th option. In today's NFL where every team is flooding the zones downfield, you have to figure out how to get your receivers in space in order to get some YAC. The Bucs refuse to do that because of Arians' offense, and he's never going to change.

Just a piece of data: Fournette caught 8 passes today for an average of 5 yards per catch.

 

[upstater1]

And Tom has to be near the end of his physical rope. His longevity and drive are unparalleled, but at his age the wear and tear of the season has to be getting to him.

I seriously don't think it's this. He is healthy and he's got zip on his throws.