Oficial Post Game Thread- Pats beat the Cardinals

[Delicate Genius]

The first blindside block in football history where the victim saw it coming and actually braced for contact.

 

[sb1]

I'm assuming you're talking about Stid?

While I don't disagree, you'd think if Bill had faith in him he'd be playing by now? He must think Cam is a better option. Also, he started Hoyer over Stid during the Chiefs game. He at the very least probably isn't ready yet.

Yeah. If the team really felt Stid was the future he would have been named starter already.

That didn’t happen and that speaks loud and clear about what Bill thinks of him. I think Stid’s chance has come and gone Tbh.

 

[DropKickFlutie]

Harry should be moved to TE. That’s his last saving grace. He’ll be out of the league within the next year otherwise.

He's so fragile though. And multiple concussion history. What suggests to you he's tough enough to block 250 pound linebackers instead of 190 pound CBs ?

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[Nikolai]

Luck was only mixed because he got injured and his career ended.

Pretty much every full year he played but 2016 he was a Pro Bowler. He made the playoffs his first year on the team, he advanced to the divisional the next year, the year after he made the AFCCG. Peyton would not win a playoff game or make a conference title game until about 6 years in. Luck only lost in the playoffs to the 2012 Ravens who won the SB, the 2013 Patriots who made the AFCCG, the 2014 Patriots who won the SB, and the 2018 Chiefs who made the AFCCG in his breakout year. That’s not exactly failing in the playoffs. He lost to legit SB contenders. He had a 40 TD season 3 years in. Peyton took 7 years to do it, Brady took 7 years to do it.

The only issue with Luck was injuries.

Drafting a QB is a coin flip either way however this is just the reality of the situation on draft hits based on data (I’ll find the study later because I’m going off a prior post I made).

1st-16th pick: 81% success rate.

17th-32nd: 65

2nd round: 48%

3rd round: 25%

4th round 13%

5th round 6%

6th round 16%

7th round 6%

That data is from 2016. Since then Mahomes, Mayfield, Allen, Murray, Burrow and Herbert were top 10. No QB drafted below that in the ensuing years is currently starter quality. So it probably shifted that even more.

Around 75% - 80% of the leagues current starters are top 32 picks, the majority of that being either top 10 or top half the draft (I forget which)

You are never getting a guaranteed thing, but every team has to do it to succeed long term.

The reality is it literally becomes a coin flip the minute it’s outside the top 16 and it becomes worse than a coin flip after the first round and dramatically worse

The point you're missing is that a tank job guarantees nothing, except being losers. Luck was injured, but that's part of the chance involved. It's football.

There's just as good a chance that, for a decade or longer, we'd wander in the nether regions inhabited by the Browns, Lions, and Jaguars. I'd rather compete. I'm proud that we're not a loser tanking franchise like the Clots.

 

[Ring 6]

Luck was only mixed because he got injured and his career ended.

Pretty much every full year he played but 2016 he was a Pro Bowler. He made the playoffs his first year on the team, he advanced to the divisional the next year, the year after he made the AFCCG. Peyton would not win a playoff game or make a conference title game until about 6 years in. Luck only lost in the playoffs to the 2012 Ravens who won the SB, the 2013 Patriots who made the AFCCG, the 2014 Patriots who won the SB, and the 2018 Chiefs who made the AFCCG in his breakout year. That’s not exactly failing in the playoffs. He lost to legit SB contenders. He had a 40 TD season 3 years in. Peyton took 7 years to do it, Brady took 7 years to do it.

The only issue with Luck was injuries.

Drafting a QB is a coin flip either way however this is just the reality of the situation on draft hits based on data (I’ll find the study later because I’m going off a prior post I made).

1st-16th pick: 81% success rate.

17th-32nd: 65

2nd round: 48%

3rd round: 25%

4th round 13%

5th round 6%

6th round 16%

7th round 6%

That data is from 2016. Since then Mahomes, Mayfield, Allen, Murray, Burrow and Herbert were top 10. No QB drafted below that in the ensuing years is currently starter quality. So it probably shifted that even more.

Around 75% - 80% of the leagues current starters are top 32 picks, the majority of that being either top 10 or top half the draft (I forget which)

You are never getting a guaranteed thing, but every team has to do it to succeed long term.

The reality is it literally becomes a coin flip the minute it’s outside the top 16 and it becomes worse than a coin flip after the first round and dramatically worse

The definition of “success” in that study has to have a very very low bar.

 

[MoreBellhorn]

He's so fragile though. And multiple concussion history. What suggests to you he's tough enough to block 250 pound linebackers instead of 190 pound CBs ?

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He can bulk up in the off-season to facilitate the position change.

 

[lancerman]

The point you're missing is that a tank job guarantees nothing, except being losers. Luck was injured, but that's part of the chance involved. It's football.

There's just as good a chance that, for a decade or longer, we'd wander in the nether regions inhabited by the Browns, Lions, and Jaguars. I'd rather compete. I'm proud that we're not a loser tanking franchise like the Clots.

It guarantees you a signficantly higher chance at a franchise QB. Especially in a year like this where the only QB prospects rated as highly as Lawrence in recent memory are Elway, Manning, and Luck. And not doing guarantees nothing either. Could easily become the Bengals or Lions who are in constant purgatory

 

[TheRainMaker]

The first blindside block in football history where the victim saw it coming and actually braced for contact.

I get it as it's a bizarre call, but why even do it to give the refs a reason to throw the flag?

 

[Nikolai]

The first blindside block in football history where the victim saw it coming and actually braced for contact.

I feel bad that it took away a great return by Gunnar. It really looks like Turner was trying to light up Jennings and Jennings beat him to the punch.

Reminds me of that pitcher who was robbed of a no-hitter by a blatantly terrible call years and years ago.

 

[Lagaffe_07]

The first blindside block in football history where the victim saw it coming and actually braced for contact.

Someone can explain to him?

they not called it because it was blindside but because he blocked toward his own goal line which you are not allowed to do that in this situation

 

[woolster22]

You post about me all the time. You are obsessed with me. You don’t get to decide who posts here. How self centered and selfish are you?

Do you know how many people make comments about how abrasive and unstable your posts come off. You are such toxic entity on this board and add next to nothing but weirdo style venting. Stop posting about me if it bothers you so much. It’s so strange

Get over yourself. This has become a schtick of sorts. You don't do any favors when you repeatedly make yourself an easy target.

 

[Nikolai]

I get it as it's a bizarre call, but why even do it to give the refs a reason to throw the flag?

He forgot he's in the NFL. It's not really football anymore.

 

[MoreBellhorn]

Get over yourself. This has become a schtick of sorts. You don't do any favors when you repeatedly make yourself an easy target.

Just use the block button. It’s great.

 

[DropKickFlutie]

He can bulk up in the off-season to facilitate the position change.

I hear you. Is it a bulk problem though ? He can't even box out corners now for the ball despite having a size advantage over tiny corners. Adding weight doesn't seem to solve the issues that he's not a tough physical kid.

 

[DaBruinz]

Dunno, you could make a case that many (even most) of those teams could be ready to hit the EJECT button on their QBs:

Giants could just move on from Jones, it's not like he's done anything and he's been there long enough.
Cowboys have no commitment, Prescott is a free agent this winter, is he not?
Texans probably unlikely to move on from Watson but you never know with a new regime (his new deal probably also makes this difficult)
Broncos - are they really that committed to Lock if they get a high pick? I would guess yes but could be wrong.
Eagles have been rumored to be looking to move on from Wentz.

JETE can and probably will dump Darnold off to the highest bidder (which probably won't be very high).

Then you have to wonder about teams like...
Atlanta - rumors about trading Matt Ryan
Washington - their best QB is Alex Smith
Detroit - new regime, could trade Stafford
Jacksonville - is Minshew the answer?? I'd guess no
San Francisco - they have an "out" with Jimmy G and could move on
Chicago - I doubt Foles or Trubisky are the future

Outside of a couple teams in the bottom half of the league - Cinci, LAC, Carolina - you could make a case for pretty much any team being game for one of these QBs.

Ross -

Giants - Jones is their guy. This is only his 2nd year. They aren't moving on from him.
Cowboys - They used the Exclusive tag on Dak to send the message that he's their guy. The injury isn' going to change that.
Texans - Watson is signed through 2026. He's got $45M in guarantees coming the next 2 years. There is no way for them to move on unless they trade him. I don't see that happening.
Eagles - They just drafted Jalen Hurts to be the guy after Wentz.
Broncos - Lock is also only in his 2nd season. They're not going to give up on him this early.

I don't see the 49ers as a team looking for a QB because they like Mullens. Also, they have the tie-breaker over us because of their win. Which puts them below us if the records are tied.

As for Washington, with as bad as that division is, they are likely to win that division as anyone else. And that puts them in the bottom 16 regardless of their record. And while it's known that Haskins isn't going to be their guy, it remains to be seen if they are going to invest in a new guy in 2021 or 2022.

 

[MoreBellhorn]

I hear you. Is it a bulk problem though ? He can't even box out corners now for the ball. Adding weight doesn't seem to solve the issues that he's not a tough physical kid.

Well, it seems like he’s got rocks in his feet when he runs. He’s a pretty good blocker as a receiver so I feel like if he gains like 20-25 lbs, he’d be a decent TE. He really doesn’t do one thing particularly well, but he’s okay at blocking. That’s honestly the only way I can see him staying in the league.

 

[lancerman]

Get over yourself. This has become a schtick of sorts. You don't do any favors when you repeatedly make yourself an easy target.

When it's the resident crazy person i really don't care. You can either be respectful or not. Not my problem if you are going to constantly bring up name and cry and say you want me kicked off the board because you don't like my opinions.

Some people on here can have respectful conversations and discussions even if they disagree and some people throw tantrums and try to derail conversations if they aren't coddled and aren't getting their own approved opinions parooted back. Joker is in the latter category.

Now if you want to have a discussion we can have a discussion, if not we can move on

 

[DaBruinz]

Someone can explain to him?

they not called it because it was blindside but because he blocked toward his own goal line which you are not allowed to do that in this situation

Can someone explain to you that the RULE clearly states that it has to be a HIT to the Head or NECK area while blocking towards his own goal for it to be a "BlindSide" block. Again. Read the RULE instead of making sh!t up.

 

[lancerman]

I feel bad that it took away a great return by Gunnar. It really looks like Turner was trying to light up Jennings and Jennings beat him to the punch.

Reminds me of that pitcher who was robbed of a no-hitter by a blatantly terrible call years and years ago.

I feel bad because people were crapping on him right before that, so to have a real highlight taken away sucks.

 

[Delicate Genius]

Someone can explain to him?

they not called it because it was blindside but because he blocked toward his own goal line which you are not allowed to do that in this situation

Explain what to me? That's not a "blindside block" or a block by Jennings towards his own goal line. That was two players coming together and both going to the ground because of a collision.