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BB Admits 2020 Is Bridge Year

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Having Brady successful in Tampa doesn't really stain his legacy, but finishing 2-14 this year (like some want him to do) definitely will.

Shula never coached a team to a 2-14 season. Neither have the other greats that Bill is compared to.
Unfortunately, I don't believe we'll get to 2-14...probably closer to 5-11/6-10, and that will hurt us in the long term, on which Bill always claims he has his eyes...

EDIT: Sorry amf, didn't see your post before sending this one...
 
5-11 isn't 13 losses in a row including 2 to the Jets.

The all time great coaches have an off year here and there - 5-11, 6-10. Not 2-14.

Coaches get fired at 2-14 for a reason.
You should re-read what you’ve just posted again. Which head coach who had previously won 6 Super Bowls for the franchise has gotten fired after his first losing season in 20 years? Name one, please.
 
You should re-read what you’ve just posted again. Which head coach who had previously won 6 Super Bowls for the franchise has gotten fired after his first losing season in 20 years? Name one, please.
Not only would Bill not be fired, but he & the Early Bird would even probably have an "understanding" about what this season now really needs to be about...
 
You should re-read what you’ve just posted again. Which head coach who had previously won 6 Super Bowls for the franchise has gotten fired after his first losing season in 20 years? Name one, please.
I remember all it took was one losing season for Tom Coughlin to be put on the hot seat with the Giants and that was 7-9 not 2-14. Last time a team crashed and burned without their superstar QB was the Colts and we know what happened to their coaching staff.

A guy who is supposed to be the GOAT coach doesn't have 2-14 on his resume. Ever.
 
Not only would Bill not be fired, but he & the Early Bird would even probably have an "understanding" about what this season now really needs to be about...
Bill would walk away if Kraft told him to do it. Then watch the team coached by McDaniels loool. Welcome back Patsies!
 
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I remember all it took was one losing season for Tom Coughlin to be put on the hot seat with the Giants and that was 7-9 not 2-14. Last time a team crashed and burned without their superstar QB was the Colts and we know what happened to their coaching staff.
One losing season for Coughlin you say?
A guy who is supposed to be the GOAT coach doesn't have 2-14 on his resume. Ever.
LMFAO, Tom Landry went 0-11 in his first season in Dallas and he’s widely recognized as one of the GOATs. No offense or anything, but you must not be a business man or in finance. Your risk analysis is off-the-charts bad. Kraft would stare down very little reward after firing BB after one 2-14 season (possibly improved drafts - debatable). He would assume a lot of risk, however. For starters, he would risk completely alienating the fan base, costing him millions in season ticket sales. He would also risk a mutiny by the players currently in the locker room. Then there’s the risk that the new GM/HC is much worse - setting the team back a decade or more. Your argument makes no sense and completely ignores risk analysis.
 
One losing season for Coughlin you say?

LMFAO, Tom Landry went 0-11 in his first season in Dallas and he’s widely recognized as one of the GOATs. No offense or anything, but you must not be a business man or in finance. Your risk analysis is off-the-charts bad. Kraft would stare down very little reward after firing BB after one 2-14 season (possibly improved drafts - debatable). He would assume a lot of risk, however. For starters, he would risk completely alienating the fan base, costing him millions in season ticket sales. He would also risk a mutiny by the players currently in the locker room. Then there’s the risk that the new GM/HC is much worse - setting the team back a decade or more. Your argument makes no sense and completely ignores risk analysis.
Ok fair enough but...first season vs how many seasons is it now for Bill? I don't think anyone is ranking any rookie coach on any GOAT list.

I'm not saying Bill is definitely going to be fired and yeah it's not something that guarantees any improvement but it's not that crazy a thought. 2-14 with 13 losses in a row is that bad. 5 or 6 wins is not comparable to 2-14.

My original point is 2-14 will severely damage his legacy and put into question whether he really is GOAT, much more than Brady doing well will.
 
First season vs how many seasons is it now for Bill?
You’re moving the goal posts here. He had losing seasons after that as well. Furthermore, Bill has 6 Super Bowl trophies and a close relationship with an owner that has historically been risk averse. Your point doesn’t hold water.
I'm not saying Bill is definitely going to be fired and yeah it's not something that guarantees any improvement but it's not that crazy a thought. 2-14 with 13 losses in a row is that bad. 5 or 6 wins is not comparable to 2-14.
If 2-14 with 13 losses in a row is > 6 Super Bowl wins and a golden opportunity with high picks and a lot of cap room, then Kraft should be relieved of his responsibilities immediately. That would make him a complete idiot and would leave the region and its fans to wonder if Kraft has succumbed to dementia.
My original point is 2-14 will severely damage his legacy and put into question whether he really is GOAT, much more than Brady doing well will.
His legacy is already sustaining damage because he’s fielded an untalented team - particularly on the offensive side of the ball. So this attempt at a point does absolutely nothing to bolster an already bad argument. What would help his legacy immensely is securing a high pick with the potential of drafting the next franchise QB or a top-tier playmaker if he’s going outside of the draft to secure the QB position. That would enable the franchise the fastest path to a turnaround and would make everybody quickly forget that he went 2-14 in a year where so much other **** has happened in the world.
 
I think Bill will hang it up if we look this bad next year as well. If he is able to get a QB for the future and there seems to be some hope I think he hangs around a few more years.
 
Jimmy Johnson - season one: 1-15 - season two: 7-9
Bill Walsh - season one: 2-14 - season two: 6-10
Chuck Noll - season one: 1-13 - season two: 5-9 - season three: 6-8
Tom Landry - season one: 0-11-1 - season two: 4-9-1 - season three: 5-8-1
Bill Parcells - season one: 3-12-1 - season two: 9-7

Explain to me again how great coaches don't endure losing seasons, especially in what is unequivocally a rebuilding season...
 
I've been wrong about a lot of things this season, but one of things I got right was that the media was going to finally expose BB's terrible drafts if the team didn't play well. These guys were able to hide behind Brady and the team's success, so the media wouldn't bring it up. BB's cute trade outs, reaching for random players due to character and taking Rutgers guys didn't bother the media then, but now it is. Brady could only disguise so much and those bad drafts since 2013 finally showed up in 2019 and now. Now that Brady's gone, the spotlight has overwhelming been on these draft picks and Harry/Michel is getting the worst of it.

It's interesting that BB's mumbling short-answer persona is now changing into more longer explanations and speaking more clearly. BB is now getting interrogated more as the weeks go by and his "sell out" comment was brought out by Fauria suggesting "excuses" which irritated him. Speaking of "selling out", I'd like to know how he defines that exactly? Many guys in including the most important player (Brady), had under market contracts. Gilmore, Gronk and maybe McCourty where one of the highest paid at their positions. The media has been waiting for this day for 20 years and they are loving the fact they are finally getting BB to sing.
 
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Lazer explains how BB gets hung up on certain players who he's barely seen play and ignores his scouts who watch guys all year round. @KontradictioN will like this next point that Lazer suggests. He says an overhaul in draft evaluation should be considered and the days of drafting the feel good high character or "gentleman" guys over pure ability needs to end since Brady isn't here to cover it up.

 
I've been wrong about a lot of things this season, but one of things I got right was that the media was going to finally expose BB's terrible drafts if the team didn't play well. These guys were able to hide behind Brady and the team's success, so the media wouldn't bring it up. BB's cute trade outs, reaching for random players due to character and taking Rutgers guys didn't bother the media then, but now it is. Brady could only disguise so much and those bad drafts since 2013 finally showed up in 2019 and now. Now that Brady's gone, the spotlight has overwhelming been on these draft picks and Harry/Michel is getting the worst of it.

It's interesting that BB's mumbling short-answer persona is now changing into more longer explanations and speaking more clearly. BB is now getting interrogated more as the weeks go by and his "sell out" comment was brought out by Fauria suggesting "excuses" which irritated him. Speaking of "selling out", I'd like to know how he defines that exactly? Many guys in including the most important player (Brady), had under market contracts. Gilmore, Gronk and maybe McCourty where one of the highest paid at their positions. The media has been waiting for this day for 20 years and they are loving the fact they are finally getting BB to sing.
It's extremely premature to suggest "terrible drafts." The players in the last two drafts will contribute going forward and we'll be able to truly assess them. Last year was a last gasp push with the old dynasty and the kids barely played. This year is clearly a rebuilding year. Add a QB to this 2020 team and they're competing for the AFC East, in a rebuilding year that's pretty good.

BB had a shoestring budget and threw it into Cam and Stidham, neither one worked out. If I took a poll back in early September nearly half this crowd would be pro Cam and the other half pro Stidham, few to none except for the absolute Negative Nancy's spelled doom. Bottom line is Cam was a reclamation project who costs nothing, Stidham was a good prospect who costs nothing, BB took his shot at QB and failed. They weren't winning a ring this year with Brady and a skeleton crew around him either. They needed to reset the cap.

Football fans are QB-centric, they judge a team largely by the franchise caliber QB at the helm. That position is entirely unclear at this moment but the resources and draft picks are there to move up and improve greatly next year. BB doesn't share the prevailing fan notion that QB's are magical unicorns that rarely come along. He'll find one. There's more talent on this team than you realize and this is a fast turnaround if they secure a quality QB.
 
Bill would walk away if Kraft told him to do it. Then watch the team coached by McDaniels loool. Welcome back Patsies!
He wouldn't ask Bill to coach to lose or to tell his players not to play to win, but if we somehow lose Monday night, and especially if we are also embarrassed the following Sunday, then the Early Bird will have every right to demand that the Cam Newton experiment end immediately and that Bill play Stidham & All the other kids to see what they have in them, while resting those veterans that no longer need to fight through injuries in a futile attempt to make the POs.
 
Lazer explains how BB gets hung up on certain players who he's barely seen play and ignores his scouts who watch guys all year round. @KontradictioN will like this next point that Lazer suggests. He says an overhaul in draft evaluation should be considered and the days of drafting the feel good high character or "gentleman" guys over pure ability needs to end since Brady isn't here to cover it up.


And it's not like we're advocating that Bill take a problem child every time either...or any time...It's that we're advocating that Bill stop drafting guys who suck and start drafting guys who don't.
 
You’re moving the goal posts here. He had losing seasons after that as well. Furthermore, Bill has 6 Super Bowl trophies and a close relationship with an owner that has historically been risk averse. Your point doesn’t hold water.

If 2-14 with 13 losses in a row is > 6 Super Bowl wins and a golden opportunity with high picks and a lot of cap room, then Kraft should be relieved of his responsibilities immediately. That would make him a complete idiot and would leave the region and its fans to wonder if Kraft has succumbed to dementia.

His legacy is already sustaining damage because he’s fielded an untalented team - particularly on the offensive side of the ball. So this attempt at a point does absolutely nothing to bolster an already bad argument. What would help his legacy immensely is securing a high pick with the potential of drafting the next franchise QB or a top-tier playmaker if he’s going outside of the draft to secure the QB position. That would enable the franchise the fastest path to a turnaround and would make everybody quickly forget that he went 2-14 in a year where so much other **** has happened in the world.
Well we can go back and forth all day on this. Again I’m not talking about just a losing season I’m talking about a disaster like 2-14.

Either way whether he stays or goes if this team does go 2-14 this year that knocks Bill right off the top in the GOAT coach conversation to me. Lose the GOAT QB and then right away have your team collapse like this when the roster has no business losing 14 games? Nope. Coaches who really are in the conversation for GOAT don't have that sort of thing happen to them. Shula never went 2-14. Lombardi never had a season like that either. Neither did Brown. Neither did Parcells. Other than their rookie year (and Belichick ain't exactly one) neither did Walsh or Noll.
 
Well we can go back and forth all day on this. Again I’m not talking about just a losing season I’m talking about a disaster like 2-14.

Either way whether he stays or goes if this team does go 2-14 this year that knocks Bill right off the top in the GOAT coach conversation to me. Lose the GOAT QB and then right away have your team collapse like this when the roster has no business losing 14 games? Nope. Coaches who really are in the conversation for GOAT don't have that sort of thing happen to them. Shula never went 2-14. Lombardi never had a season like that either. Neither did Brown. Neither did Parcells. Other than their rookie year (and Belichick ain't exactly one) neither did Walsh or Noll.
First of all they're not going to go 2-14, but say they go 4-12, did those other coaches put together a team during a pandemic and have a lot of good players opt out? The game plans have been good this year, with the exception of the San Fran disaster they've been in every game and a play here or there they win.
 
Well we can go back and forth all day on this. Again I’m not talking about just a losing season I’m talking about a disaster like 2-14.

Either way whether he stays or goes if this team does go 2-14 this year that knocks Bill right off the top in the GOAT coach conversation to me. Lose the GOAT QB and then right away have your team collapse like this when the roster has no business losing 14 games? Nope. Coaches who really are in the conversation for GOAT don't have that sort of thing happen to them. Shula never went 2-14. Lombardi never had a season like that either. Neither did Brown. Neither did Parcells. Other than their rookie year (and Belichick ain't exactly one) neither did Walsh or Noll.
I doubt we go 2-14. Probably get 5 or 6 wins. Now, your point about Bill having this type of awful season after Brady leaves is damaging to him. That being said, we have to see what Bill does next year with a ton of cap and picks. Pretty much everything hinges on finding a solid QB which is difficult to do. If he does not do that then the roster won't be good enough after one draft and whatever FAs be brings in to be competitive. So if that happens, then I think your narrative takes shape. He needs to get the Pats back on track fast especially while Brady is killing it down in Tampa.
 

If this has been posted before, I apologize. But, I found this article pretty interesting and decided to share.
 

If this has been posted before, I apologize. But, I found this article pretty interesting and decided to share.
Pretty decent read. I have said this many times but I am happy Brady moved on to a competitive team. Gronk too. Bill so badly managed the roster for several years that there was nothing left for Brady to work with. But in terms of this article, it is not that the Pats miss Brady this season, its that the Pats lost him due to terrible mismanagement. And that actually hurts worse because at age 43 he is killing it with a really good team. That could have been us still contending with the GOAT. It should have been.
 
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