sanu released

[Uptown]

I wonder which WR Belichick will trade a 2nd for this year.

Darrius Heyward-Bey

 

[Joker]

crack is a terrible drug

 

[Foxypats]

A complete and utter disaster , and we lost a second for him. This is one of Bill's worse decisions !

 

[203Pat]

The reactions to this are the usual extremes on both ends I see.

 

[PatsBoy12]

I do have high hopes for Gunner to take on some of the Amendola role in the offense.

 

[scott99]

I’m guessing TE will be a key position this year. Outside of Edelman and Harry, I see the TEs being key contributors in the passing game this year. Plus Cam likes throwing to TEs, a lot. Hell he went 15-1 and went to the SB with worse receivers than he has right now.

 

[jimnance]

Bill got Tom AB because he asked, he got him Sanu because he pouted... but it's Bill's fault. Should have trained and utilized the rookies last year.

Wrong, as usual.
Brady is accountable for his play on the field.
Belichick is accountable for trades, draft picks fa signing, roster building, coaching/ scouting/training staffs etc.
If you give Brady blame for throwing a bad pick, you also gotta give Belichick blame for making a bad pick or a bad trade.
Thats his job, not Bradys. Youre another poster here whos got an obvious agenda about Brady and qbs in general, like sb1.
Which gives you little credibility on anything nfl-related. Qb is by far the most important position in the nfl and its not close. Especially since the rules changes and points of emphasis the nfl has enacted since 2006. ( with the help of Polian, Dungy and Peyton but mostly because of the $ fantasy football brings in). The nfl has wanted high-scoring games since that time.
Whats ironic is Belichick saw this and realized having a great qb was now a much bigger advantage than b4 since qbs and wrs were far more protected. Since 2006, name me all the crappy-mediocre qbs who've even been to a SB, nevermind won one.
Crickets.
Yes, your Daddy, Belichick, has said numerous times qb is by far the most important position on any team.
Yet you like to keep bleating " its the most overrated position".
Youre not convincing anyone about your nfl knowledge with starements like that.
Yes, back in 1966, Qbs werent as important.
Jim Brown was the most dominant offensive player in the nfl.Times have changed.
Btw, I am as big if a Belichick fan as I am a Bradyvfan- and why wouldn't I be- theyre both the greatest who ever lived at their respective jobs. The difference between us is I give each their credit where its due and their blame as well.

 

[Love The Drake]

Bill the GM strikes again. Another 2nd rd draft pick lit on fire and thrown out the window. Bill and his friggin Rutgers obsession. Manny Sanders says hello again, after BB being his usual cheapskate the first time around. Get ready to suck BB homers. "Tank for Trevor" is a real possibility. Has the game passed Billy by? 7-9 this season, get your popcorn ready. Offense is worse than putrid. Defense is average at best. It was fun while it lasted.

I don’t agree
The defense will be dynamic Chung became a liability in the passing game we may miss the in the box but we have athletic versatile linebackers to make up for it.
I have faith in a new look offense that nobody will see coming and some young UDFAS Wrs who stretch the field.

 

[BTTA]

Money for Newton?

 

[Wozzy]

First, who's blaming Belichick for Brown getting axed? Second, one rookie WR was gone for half the season at the start, one rookie "WR" was gone for half the season at the finish, and the other rookie WR, the one who stayed active for the full season, was not ready for prime time.

The second rookie WR (Gunner) was the punt returner and should have been getting WR snaps but Tommy moaned about vets, so Bill acquiesced and got him Sanu, problem was they didn't have a punt returner after Gunner came down with Foxboro flu so Sanu had to do it, problem was he sucked at it and got hurt doing it.

Jakobi was ready to play and was good when he played, he just wasn't ready for a QB who had already mentally checked out and hated that Bill didn't respect him enough to buy him expensive toys.

You're one of the guys who told Luuked and I we were wrong about Sanu being expendable aren't you?

 

[n6249c]

Youth movement time. Good.

Yep.

BB is known for cutting veterans early, as a matter of respect, to give them the best chance to sign elsewhere. I could be wrong but I’m reading this as his decision to go with the youth movement. Jules, Harry, Meyers and even Gunner are known quantities from working with them over the past year. Gunner has been consistently reported as making a big second year jump. And there are some youngsters we haven’t really seen yet, but it seems Bill thinks one or two of them may be ready to show their stuff.

 

[Wozzy]

Wrong, as usual.
Brady is accountable for his play on the field.

Agreed, it wasn't particularly good.

Belichick is accountable for trades, draft picks fa signing, roster building, coaching/ scouting/training staffs etc.

Agreed, I blasted Bill when he screwed up including the TE fiasco last year and oh, btw, I called Sanu a stiff here a year ago and the response was a meme of Bill drinking a glass of OJ... that didn't age well. Doesn't change the fact he was only reaching because he wanted to keep Tom happy.

If you give Brady blame for throwing a bad pick, you also gotta give Belichick blame for making a bad pick or a bad trade.

I do.

Thats his job, not Bradys. Youre another poster here whos got an obvious agenda about Brady and qbs in general, like sb1.

Brady became a diva and was largely responsible for the push for vet weapons last year, the guy complained after AB threatened a single mom and her children... guess Brady was correct they should have kept AB regardless right?

Which gives you little credibility on anything nfl-related. Qb is by far the most important position in the nfl and its not close. Especially since the rules changes and points of emphasis the nfl has enacted since 2006. ( with the help of Polian, Dungy and Peyton but mostly because of the $ fantasy football brings in). The nfl has wanted high-scoring games since that time.

TEAM is important, QB's are important to offense, they're not magical unicorns that are impossible to replace unless you're just a crappy team. What's not important is your vote of confidence in my football credibility.

Whats ironic is Belichick saw this and realized having a great qb was now a much bigger advantage than b4 since qbs and wrs were far more protected. Since 2006, name me all the crappy-mediocre qbs who've even been to a SB, nevermind won one.

Nick Foles... the three other QB's in the conference championship games that year were Tom Brady, Case Keenum and Blake Bortles... how many of them ^ aren't mediocre? One out of four is the answer.

Crickets.

You said it ^ ... and that's my line.

Yes, your Daddy, Belichick, has said numerous times qb is by far the most important position on any team.

A kicker is unimportant until you need a game winning kick, the only time Tom Brady won a ring is when he had a well rounded team that had a good defense and special teams.. but yeah... keep having a faneurysm.

Yet you like to keep bleating " its the most overrated position".
Youre not convincing anyone about your nfl knowledge with starements like that.
Yes, back in 1966, Qbs werent as important.
Jim Brown was the most dominant offensive player in the nfl.Times have changed.
Btw, I am as big if a Belichick fan as I am a Bradyvfan- and why wouldn't I be- theyre both the greatest who ever lived at their respective jobs. The difference between us is I give each their credit where its due and their blame as well.

I don't bleat. And I've called Tom the best QB in NFL history since 2007, it doesn't change the fact that last year he was a moaning whining diva who was looking for the first boat out of town and he played down to the competition.

He'll look great this year with super weapons and a cheesecake schedule in Tampa... when you're wrong you're wrong.

 

[Deus Irae]

The second rookie WR (Gunner) was the punt returner and should have been getting WR snaps but Tommy moaned about vets, so Bill acquiesced and got him Sanu, problem was they didn't have a punt returner after Gunner came down with Foxboro flu so Sanu had to do it, problem was he sucked at it and got hurt doing it.

Jakobi was ready to play and was good when he played, he just wasn't ready for a QB who had already mentally checked out and hated that Bill didn't respect him enough to buy him expensive toys.

You're one of the guys who told Luuked and I we were wrong about Sanu being expendable aren't you?

The second rookie WR wasn't ready to be an NFL WR. He wasn't really ready to be an NFL PR, either. And this whole "Tommy moaned about vets", as if that's supposed to be an issue, is nonsense. The team needed proven talent. Any fool could see that.

Jakobi wasn't ready to play, and he was not good when he played. That's why he ended up getting his ass stapled to the bench.

As for calling Sanu expendable, when am I supposed to have called him that? Search is currently not working, and I don't remember using that particular word for him, so I'd have to figure out when I supposedly said it, in order to track it down.


And, to repeat the first question: who's blaming Belichick for Brown getting axed?

 

[long distance]

Forget the new rules @Ian - just give people the Negative Nancy rating icon already

 

[mgteich]

RULES
Never use a 2nd round pick for a player who will be injured.
Neve trade a 2nd for a player who will be injured.

Only patriot fans on this board didn't believe that Sanu wasn't a #3 WR in this league.

 

[Wozzy]

The second rookie WR wasn't ready to be an NFL WR. He wasn't really ready to be an NFL PR, either. And this whole "Tommy moaned about vets", as if that's supposed to be an issue, is nonsense. The team needed proven talent. Any fool could see that.

Jakobi wasn't ready to play, and he was not good when he played. That's why he ended up getting his ass stapled to the bench.

As for calling Sanu expendable, when am I supposed to have called him that? Search is currently not working, and I don't remember using that particular word for him, so I'd have to figure out when I supposedly said it, in order to track it down.


And, to repeat the first question: who's blaming Belichick for Brown getting axed?

Gunner never saw any regular season offensive snaps, Tommy wasn't too keen on that.

Jakobi caught 9 straight passes before Tom screamed at him in the Cleveland game and had him benched for two games... but Tom didn't have undue influence over the offense... sure.

Luuked and I were spitballing the idea of Sanu getting traded or released and there was blowback... you were there, whether you pushed back against it I could care less frankly. N'Keal Harry is slow according to you, yet he's still here.

Brown got axed because he's a sociopath, and he was only here with Bob Kraft making sure the world knew it to cover his ass by saying his QB endorsed the signing a million percent or something to that effect. Pretending that Tom didn't have some influence over the offense is naive at best and willfully ignorant at worst. Tom pushed for AB and Sanu, he pouted when they let AB go despite the fact it was not only justified but the league would have done it for them and it would have looked much worse for the team.

Sanu is Jakobi Meyers, they may as well be twins... difference is Meyers makes a couple hundred grand and Sanu 6 million. Meyers and Gunner were better options than Sanu for a 2nd last year... Tommy didn't agree.

 

[Deus Irae]

Gunner never saw any regular season offensive snaps, Tommy wasn't too keen on that.

Jakobi caught 9 straight passes before Tom screamed at him in the Cleveland game and had him benched for two games... but Tom didn't have undue influence over the offense... sure.

Luuked and I were spitballing the idea of Sanu getting traded or released and there was blowback... you were there, whether you pushed back against it I could care less frankly. N'Keal Harry is slow according to you, yet he's still here.

Brown got axed because he's a sociopath, and he was only here with Bob Kraft making sure the world knew it to cover his ass by saying his QB endorsed the signing a million percent or something to that effect. Pretending that Tom didn't have some influence over the offense is naive at best and willfully ignorant at worst. Tom pushed for AB and Sanu, he pouted when they let AB go despite the fact it was not only justified but the league would have done it for them and it would have looked much worse for the team.

Sanu is Jakobi Meyers, they may as well be twins... difference is Meyers makes a couple hundred grand and Sanu 6 million. Meyers and Gunner were better options than Sanu for a 2nd last year... Tommy didn't agree.

Your argument was that people were blaming BB for Brown getting the axe. You continue to avoid the question of "which people?". In fact, reporters pointed the finger at Kraft for that.

You've basically acknowledged that I was not doing what you claimed I was doing regarding Sanu.

Harry is slow on the field. That's obvious. Maybe time, familiarity, and confidence will help him to play faster. But he's not there yet.

Meyers kept blowing routes last year, which is why his ass got pinned to the bench.

Brady wasn't designing the plays. Brady was largely shut out of game planning. Brady was basically told not to coach up the rookies, and to let the staff do that. Not only was that written by reporters, but we saw video of it, with Brady having to look to the sidelines when rookies screwed up. And it's not Brady's call to sit a WR on the bench for 2 games. That's on the O.C. and H.C..



So, basically, you're just making a lot of crap up.

 

[Patsgofor4]

Bill the GM strikes again. Another 2nd rd draft pick lit on fire and thrown out the window. Bill and his friggin Rutgers obsession. Manny Sanders says hello again

The unrestricted free-agent-to-be Manny Sanders who totally no-showed for San Fran for the last three games of the regular season games AND all three playoff games?


That Manny Sanders?

Putz.

 

[jimnance]

Agreed, it wasn't particularly good.



Agreed, I blasted Bill when he screwed up including the TE fiasco last year and oh, btw, I called Sanu a stiff here a year ago and the response was a meme of Bill drinking a glass of OJ... that didn't age well. Doesn't change the fact he was only reaching because he wanted to keep Tom happy.



I do.



Brady became a diva and was largely responsible for the push for vet weapons last year, the guy complained after AB threatened a single mom and her children... guess Brady was correct they should have kept AB regardless right?



TEAM is important, QB's are important to offense, they're not magical unicorns that are impossible to replace unless you're just a crappy team. What's not important is your vote of confidence in my football credibility.



Nick Foles... the three other QB's in the conference championship games that year were Tom Brady, Case Keenum and Blake Bortles... how many of them ^ aren't mediocre? One out of four is the answer.



You said it ^ ... and that's my line.



A kicker is unimportant until you need a game winning kick, the only time Tom Brady won a ring is when he had a well rounded team that had a good defense and special teams.. but yeah... keep having a faneurysm.



I don't bleat. And I've called Tom the best QB in NFL history since 2007, it doesn't change the fact that last year he was a moaning whining diva who was looking for the first boat out of town and he played down to the competition. He'll look great this year with super weapons and a cheesecake schedule in Tampa... when you're wrong you're wrong.

Ok, I' ll dial back my rhetoric, about 90% of your responses made sense.
But you used a strawman to respond to the fact I stated about virtually no crappy - mediocre qbs being in a SB since pro- offense rules changes started in 2006.
Foles? Wrong. Leading up to the SB Foles was playing qb better than just about anybody in the nfc.
I agree 100% about team. The most significant thing personnel- wise that contributed to the Patriots dominance was Tom Brady. Thats inarguable. But the 2nd most significant thing is the fact that, year
after year,BB constructed a balanced team- in all 3 phases, the vast majority of starters were solid to good. Whereas other teams would sink all their $ in half a dozen or so superstars, meaning there wasnt enuf $ left to field mostly good players at all the other positions. Peytons Colts, case in point.
But Brady gets some credit for that, by taking far less pay year in year out than he was entitled to. Because, like, BB, he was committed to winning. BB was exceptional on a bunch of different levels to create this.
His eye for talent is exceptional. You have to take fa signings, draft and trades all together. Next, nobody coaches em up like him. Tons of examples like Vrabel, Brown,Edelman etc. He sees things in players other coaches dont see. Next he gets players to buy in and play their best.
He puts them in positions to succeed. Next nobody schemes like him.
So I agree with you about TEAM. We disagree on the importance of qbs in todays game.

 

[JayNM]

IMPOSSIBLE

we traded a 2nd round pick for him, people in this boad are SURE that he will be better this year than the absolute garbage he put on film last year. He was injured, didnt you hear?

Good riddance