Curran: Bills coming due for Patriots dynasty after this season

[Pessimistic Pete]

The title of this article is so ****ing obnoxious (considering there is literally a franchise called the Bills and our head coach is named Bill as well) that I refuse to click it

 

[FCB02062]

Who the F is going to give Flowers $80M? Curran is way into the hyperbole Forest on that one....

 

[RobertWeathers]

Who the F is going to give Flowers $80M? Curran is way into the hyperbole Forest on that one....

No one. Another problem I had with Curran's Days of our Lives missive.

 

[borg]

Nothing. It’s spot on.

Ah come on....the future is bright

 

[borg]

Tom Curran has changed quite a bit in the last year, or so. Up until that time I never considered him a "homer", just a guy who was fair and not a hater. But, around the time of the Wickersham piece, he began to be more of a gloom and doomer. I believe it's largely related to the fact that he and his sons are fairly long-standing Guerrero clients. He definitely took Brady's side in the at least perceived Brady/ BB rift.

So let me get this straight.... Alex "Magic Hands' Guerrero :

1) Owns space in Brady's head
2) Has the Patriots organization between his thumb and his forefinger
....and now....
3) Controls the media narrative

Imagine the heights Alex could have attained if he actually completed his degree at the Guadalajara Institute of Massage and Aroma Therapy

When Patriots 3.0 does come on line, I absolutely expect to see Mr. Guerrero booster-seated next to Mr. Kraft and his beverage boy Jonathan in the organization's remodeled sky box zen den. Two power brokers and a sidekick

 

[DaBruinz]

I don't think there is any doubt that subpar drafting is the biggest issue with the current roster. While it's too early to judge last year's draft, which doesn't look great so far, they have missed on too many picks since 2014, including:

2017/2nd Derek Rivers
2017/3rd Antionio Garcia
2016/2nd Cyrus Jones
2016/3rd Vincent Valentine
2016/3rs Jacoby Brissett
2015/1st Malcolm Brown
2015/2nd Jordan F'n Richards
2015/3rd Geneo Grissom

Basically, in those three drafts they got three starting caliber NFL players, Flowers, Mason & Wise. They are going to have to do better than that if they want to continue to contend for Championships.

A similar drought from 2005 - 2008 caused the pause that Current refers to between the two dynasties & they lost a ton of player personnel types (Robinson, Quinn, etc) over the past few years. Hopefully, they can stabilize their player personnel department and get back on track.

So, you think that Jacoby Brissett was a bad draft pick? The guy who was traded for a former first rounder. The guy who played well while Brady was out on his suspension and who has since played well for the Colts?

You think that Malcolm Brown, who has been a starter for the Pats for more than 2 years wasn't a good pick..

Derek Rivers was a 3rd round pick, not a 2nd round one. And you clearly are holding it against him that he blew out his ACL in TC and that he hasn't recovered fully...

So, because Antonio Garcia developed blood clots in his lungs and lost 50 lbs he's a miss you think Belichick should have foreseen?

Geneo Grissom has been a Special Teams player.. What more were you expecting?

Sorry, but your opinion on what are misses leaves so much to be desired.

 

[Deus Irae]

Who the F is going to give Flowers $80M? Curran is way into the hyperbole Forest on that one....

I'm not saying you're right, and I'm not saying you're wrong, but it only takes one. Just ask Nate Solder.

 

[DaBruinz]

Players left from:

2014 draft - James White
2015 draft - Malcom Brown, Trey Flowers, Shaq Mason, Joe Cardona
2016 draft - Joe Thuney, Elandon Roberts, Ted Karras
2017 draft - Derek Rivers, Deatrich Wise

2014 - Jimmy Garrapolo traded. Cam Fleming gave 4 average years, left via Free Agency.
2015 - Jordan Richards traded. AJ Derby traded. Both still in the league.
2016 - Jacoby Brissett traded.
2017 - Only drafted 4 players. 1 was let go due to an illness that NO ONE saw coming..

Malcolm Mitchell and Vincent Valentine both looked solid, but couldn't recover from their injuries. How is that the fault of the Patriots?

People who refuse to acknowledge the draft capital obtained are showing their ignorance.

 

[Jackson 2]

So let me get this straight.... Alex "Magic Hands' Guerrero :

1) Owns space in Brady's head
2) Has the Patriots organization between his thumb and his forefinger
....and now....
3) Controls the media narrative

Imagine the heights Alex could have attained if he actually completed his degree at the Guadalajara Institute of Massage and Aroma Therapy

When Patriots 3.0 does come on line, I absolutely expect to see Mr. Guerrero booster-seated next to Mr. Kraft and his beverage boy Jonathan in the organization's remodeled sky box zen den. Two power brokers and a sidekick

Literally LOL! I hope you didn't leap to those wild conclusions based upon my simple statement that Curran and his sons are Guerrero clients. If I'd have suggested that Curran doesn't like burritos, would you have concluded that the Krafts exhumed Pancho Villa's body, had it stuffed and propped it up in their owner's box with a Tiparillo in its mouth? Holy s###...

 

[luuked]

I think the draft is very important. It gives teams a supply of players for 4 years
at relatively cheap salaries. Draft picks and UDFAs give teams inexpensive salaries
to help offset expensive salaries for star players.

Yes. Obviously.

I am not saying it is meaningless or that FA or trades are better. But only that often the draft gets overrated because of the incomplete information you have about players at the point where you have to make the pick.

No one is arguing that economically speaking it is the best way to run a team. It is just that nobody has yet found a way to consistently be able to sustain good drafts for the overall team.

 

[BradyFTW!]

If Jordan Richards is a draft success, then nobody has ever had a bad draft.

 

[supafly]

If Jordan Richards is a draft success, then nobody has ever had a bad draft.

Trading players = draft success. Everyone knows this.

 

[supafly]

So, you think that Jacoby Brissett was a bad draft pick? The guy who was traded for a former first rounder. The guy who played well while Brady was out on his suspension and who has since played well for the Colts?

You’re using a very loose definition of “played well.” We’re talking about a guy whose career record is 5-12, with a completion percentage of 59%, and a QB rating of 81. Also, in his 17 starts, he’s thrown a whopping total of 13 touchdown passes, for a percentage of 0.76 per game.

He’s freaking awful, and the idea that he’s good because they traded him for a player who was about to get cut is an odd suggestion. As a matter of fact, there are some in the NE media who believe that Brissett was going to be cut as well.

 

[captain stone]

...But his view of the Cooks trade is puzzling. In what world is acquiring an early 20's first round pick for an expensive, talented-but-not-a-great-fit WR with one year remaining on his contract a bad trade? Why would Wynn's subsequent injury factor into this evaluation?

Really strange train of thought there.

Not strange at all really, if one boards that train at the very beginning.

 

[MassPats38]

I have been preaching for years how well he coached in 2008. That was a damn good team, even without Brady, by the end of the year.

They were matched up against two rank divisions (AFC West (best record 8-8) and NFC West (best record 9-7)) while still loaded with most of the talent from the 16-0 season (much tougher competition record-wise loaded with wins against playoff teams) one year prior. The Pats did not play the Ravens or Titans, and lost to the Chargers, Steelers and Colts. They closed out the year beating up on an inconsistent Cardinals team (the crown jewel that season - 9-7 division winner, despite the loss) and split with the Fish. After the bad loss to the Steelers, the season ended with wins against a 4-12 team, 5-11 team, 9-7 team and a 7-9 team.

I credit BB for not letting the team shut down after Brady fell in the first game and keeping them competitive when others would fold, but losing to more or less the entire playoff bracket on the schedule does not make that a damn good team. If that team played the 2007 schedule, then I would be surprised if it was better than .500. There is a reason why this 11-5 team did not make the playoff cut.

Fun to watch, but you may be viewing that season through rose-colored glasses.

 

[Kontradiction]

2014 - Jimmy Garrapolo traded. Cam Fleming gave 4 average years, left via Free Agency.
2015 - Jordan Richards traded. AJ Derby traded. Both still in the league.
2016 - Jacoby Brissett traded.
2017 - Only drafted 4 players. 1 was let go due to an illness that NO ONE saw coming..

Malcolm Mitchell and Vincent Valentine both looked solid, but couldn't recover from their injuries. How is that the fault of the Patriots?

People who refuse to acknowledge the draft capital obtained are showing their ignorance.

This is high comedy. Thanks.

 

[DaBruinz]

You’re using a very loose definition of “played well.” We’re talking about a guy whose career record is 5-12, with a completion percentage of 59%, and a QB rating of 81. Also, in his 17 starts, he’s thrown a whopping total of 13 touchdown passes, for a percentage of 0.76 per game.

He’s freaking awful, and the idea that he’s good because they traded him for a player who was about to get cut is an odd suggestion. As a matter of fact, there are some in the NE media who believe that Brissett was going to be cut as well.

No. My definition of "Played well" is for a guy who was just a rookie for the Pats when he played. And you knocking him because the Colts were already a horrible team and he did better than many could have done shows your own bias. You seem to also not understand that he was on a new team learning a new offense.

Jacoby Brissett Stats | Pro-Football-Reference.com

Let's see. With the Pats he had a 1-1 record in the 3 games he played in. The 3rd game was also a win, but was credited to Garoppolo.

34/55 (61.8% complete) and took 6 sacks. Sorry if you think that isn't playing well considering he was a rookie.

Sorry, Supa, but your argument is weaker than you claim Brissett to be and that's says a lot considering your reputation as a poster here.

Please provide your link that the Patriots were going to cut Brissett..

 

[supafly]

Please provide your link that the Patriots were going to cut Brissett..

Like I said, it was something discussed on podcasts and talk shows, so I don’t have a link to provide because it was speculative. I was simply noting the rumor.

I’m with you in pointing out some of Belichick’s success with drafted players who are on other teams, I just don’t think they should count too much considering the fact that they didn’t really contribute much to our team, that’s all. If he traded them away to recoup the lost pick or take a shot at a different player, one may argue that he’s doing so in part because that player didn’t fit in with his plan here.

At any rate, we disagree a bit on Brissett’s success, so that’s what I was responding to. I’m not sure that there’s a way to accurately judge him though, at least thus far, so it’s nothing more than a difference in opinion. I agree with you that he looked like a serviceable backup while here for a couple of games, although they didn’t seem to feel too comfortable with him in that 4th game, which didn’t produce much offensively and basically used a high school offense that saw a lot of conservative run plays. After that, we can only judge him during his time at Indy, where he led the league in sacks taken, was in the high 50s in terms of completion percentage, and rarely threw any TDs.

 

[JarOfMayo51]

Who the F is going to give Flowers $80M? Curran is way into the hyperbole Forest on that one....

That would be $32 million per sack for Flowers this year, not a bad payday!

 

[JarOfMayo51]

If Jordan Richards is a draft success, then nobody has ever had a bad draft.

When I was doing pro bowl voting and came across Jordan Richards at the SS position I had to clean a lot of water off my monitor that I spit up from laughing so hard

I can’t believe he’s their starter lol