Wtf happened with Brissett deal?

[Ring 6]

A decent backup goes for quite a bit nowadays

Examples?????

 

[Oswlek]

did the Patriots probably have something to do with the balls? I mean, likely yes.

Newsflash, nothing actually happened to any balls. I'm genuinely surprised there are still Pats fans bedazzled enough to think something did.

 

[Simpelton]

As for whether Brissett is worth a second rounder -- I mean, it really depends on what the team acquiring him needs. If an average, but highly durable QB with solid leadership qualities is something you need to improve your team's position, and there's always a few teams like that, then Brissett wouldn't be a bad get. There's always a need for QBs at the Hoyer/Fitzpatrick/McCown/Brissett level, especially to protect a developmental quarterback.

Not sure about a second though, not for a guy who's less of a playoff piece and more of a gap filler. But then -- only one crazy sportswriter and one hyperactive fan are actually convinced that a second was ever offered for Brisset in the first place.

 

[Simpelton]

A decent backup goes for quite a bit nowadays

Not that much. If someone is trading a second for Brissett, it's not for what they see in him now -- that would be a team gambling that he can improve his game with further experience and become "the future" Which given that he has a strong arm, quick feet and a good mind, I wouldn't rule out, although the odds are against it.

 

[Ras-IR Dowling]

Not that much. If someone is trading a second for Brissett, it's not for what they see in him now -- that would be a team gambling that he can improve his game with further experience and become "the future" Which given that he has a strong arm, quick feet and a good mind, I wouldn't rule out, although the odds are against it.

He has a pretty good arm, but also holds on to the ball way too long and his short intermediate passing game is still below average although it improved since his rookie year. Not a guy I would mortgage a high pick for, I think you’ll find better prospects every year in the draft.

 

[Simpelton]

You think he gained value because he played poorly but didn’t get injured?

Do you not? that's all he was ever going to be able to prove with that Colts roster

Luck had 3 11 win seasons.

And what was his record leading the only team that matters for this discussion, which is the 2016 Colts? I mean it's great that Luck could win games with a team that wasn't shallow, worn out, broken down and terrible, but the team that Brissett lost 13 games for isn't the team that Luck won 11, so it doesn't matter.

So any poor QB on a bad team is therefore. good? If they just kept Scott Tolkien in there to lead a bottom 3 offense, we’d be saying tolzien is good?

Given how he performed when he was in there, there is a significant qualitative difference between Tolzein and Brissett. Not every nonelite quarterback is just as bad as the others. That is a ridiculous argument to try and make.

Brissett player poorly. It is what it is.

The Colts played poorly. It's an open discussion what role in that Brissett played. A quarterback is not a team. Especially not an average quarterback.

Where did I say or imply that?
Brissetts contribution to his 4-11 record is Brissetts fault and broader played like a 4-11 QB.

He also played very much like a 10-6 quarterback named Blake Bortles

So bad QB play in a bad team means what? He gets a break? A break about what? He played poorly. You want me to lie and say he didn’t?

It means that you aren't so stupid that even a Simpelton can tell that you're off base.

More specifically, even a Simpelton can figure out that it's more important to evaluate a quarterback by his actual performance, rather than by wins and losses. Even a Simpelton can figure out that there's a lot more that goes into the W-L column than quarterback play, especially for a team that had the worst coach and among the worst overall rosters in the NFL that year.

So if a Simpelton can figure this stuff out, why are you having so many issues?

 

[Simpelton]

He has a pretty good arm, but also holds on to the ball way too long and his short intermediate passing game is still below average although it improved since his rookie year. Not a guy I would mortgage a high pick for, I think you’ll find better prospects every year in the draft.

The post you're responding to is a hypothetical. IF a second was offered for Brissett, it would be because a team DID think he could overcome those issues.

Brissett was picked up by the Patriots as a project. They leveraged him for depth they needed badly at the time. He got a chance to learn on the job for the Colts and showed that he had utility as a starting NFL quarterback, even if he was by no means elite. Quite frankly, from that perspective, he already beat the odds, even if someone used to elite quarterback play could find a lot to criticize.

From what I can tell, the league in general is actually moderately impressed with Brissett at this point, he proved he's a starting QB and showed leadership, professionalism and durability in a bad situation and most NFL observers realize this.

At this point Brissett has every chance to carve out a career for himself as a journeyman quarterback.

But no, unless he catches lightning in a bottle, I don't think he'll turn the corner and become elite. He has a chance, but the odds are stacked against him.

On the other hand -- he really doesn't have to in order to make millions in the NFL.

 

[Ras-IR Dowling]

From what I can tell, the league in general is actually moderately impressed with Brissett at this point, he proved he's a starting QB and showed leadership and durability in a bad situation and most NFL observers realize this. At this point Brissett has every chance to carve out a career for himself as a journeyman quarterback.

This I 100% agree with. He should be able to carve out a career as a journeyman qb.

 

[Ring 6]

Do you not? that's all he was ever going to be able to prove with that Colts roster

No I do not.

And what was his record leading the only team that matters for this discussion, which is the 2016 Colts? I mean it's great that Luck could win games with a team that wasn't shallow, worn out, broken down and terrible, but the team that Brissett lost 13 games for isn't the team that Luck won 11, so it doesn't matter.

So your argument is luck won twice as many games so it’s the same thing?

Given how he performed when he was in there, there is a significant qualitative difference between Tolzein and Brissett. Not every nonelite quarterback is just as bad as the others. That is a ridiculous argument to try and make.

Tolzien played 1 game.
Your argument is Brissett has valued because he played poorly on a poor team. Tolzien could have done that too.

The Colts played poorly. It's an open discussion what role in that Brissett played. A quarterback is not a team. Especially not an average quarterback.

That IS the discussion he played poorly.
You are the one tying the team record to it, not me.
I am judging his play. You are judging what excuses you can find.

He also played very much like a 10-6 quarterback named Blake Bortles

No in fact he did not.


It means that you aren't so stupid that even a Simpelton can tell that you're off base.

More specifically, even a Simpelton can figure out that it's more important to evaluate a quarterback by his actual performance, rather than by wins and losses. [/quote]
Well then you are a simpleton because you are the one basing this on wins and losses and I am basing on his play.

Even a Simpelton can figure out that there's a lot more that goes into the W-L column than quarterback play, especially for a team that had the worst coach and among the worst overall rosters in the NFL that year.

So if a Simpelton can figure this stuff out, why are you having so many issues?

Again you are the one arguing those things not me.

 

[edkk323]

We traded a player who started 2 games for us, and didn't play too poorly (1-1) for a player whose on the roster bubble. Now, we have a terrible Brian Hoyer and a 7th round pick rounding out our depth chart. Brissett was better than both and under a rookie deal.

The need for WR was greater than the need for a backup QB. Stop doing all the aftermath.

 

[Ras-IR Dowling]

He also played very much like a 10-6 quarterback named Blake Bortles

If throwing for 600 less yards 8 less tds and taking twice as many sacks is playing very much like bortles then sure.

 

[RayClay]

There's a reason why a season isn't the last month and a half. If he played poorly in the latter half of the season, then he must have played okay in the first half of the season.

52 sacks will do that to you.

 

[Ring 6]

Brady probably didn't directly do it, but did the Patriots probably have something to do with the balls? I mean, likely yes. You can't just make up BS in the legal system

You have to be kidding right?
Science proves nothing happened to the balls.

The court case wasn’t about whether anything happened or. It was solely about Goodell having the authority to impose the penalty regardless of if anything happened.

You should really educate yourself before you say something that stupid.

 

[Bruins29]

Brady probably didn't directly do it, but did the Patriots probably have something to do with the balls?

or maybe it was the cold air and the two different gauges. Nahhh, it couldnt be something as logical as that.

You can't just make up BS in the legal system

Really? Tell that to Casey Anthony, OJ Simpson, Ray Lewis, Oscar Pistorius, Robert Blake,

 

[rochrist]

Well, you'll all be glad to hear that Ben Volin today confidently predicted that the next franchise QB for the Pats will be either Teddy Bridgewater or the return of Jacoby Brissett.

 

[rochrist]

Err... Hoyer is 16-21, Brissett is 3-13. Not sure you can say that with any confidence.


That "checked out" Texans team made the playoffs. And Brissett played against the Bills with a broken thumb on his throwing hand. That's pretty laudable all by itself.
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They were absolutely checked out in that game. That was one of the worst performances put on by an opponent in years.

 

[Crazy Patriot Guy]

They were absolutely checked out in that game. That was one of the worst performances put on by an opponent in years.

Bad performance? Sure. But I really don't see how they were checked out. It was week 3 and they were 2-0. Checked out from what?

 

[Joker]

HAIL HYDRANT!

 

[rochrist]

Bad performance? Sure. But I really don't see how they were checked out. It was week 3 and they were 2-0. Checked out from what?

The Pats had FOUR passing first downs and 97 yards total through the air. Yet they won 27-0. They had the good fortune to be facing the immortal Brock Osweiler at his absolute worst.

 

[Crazy Patriot Guy]

The Pats had FOUR passing first downs and 97 yards total through the air. Yet they won 27-0. They had the good fortune to be facing the immortal Brock Osweiler at his absolute worst.

Correct, Brock and the Texans sucked that night and the Pats took advantage. That still doesn't mean a 2-0 team was checked out in week 3 of the season.