Rapoport: Patriots quietly bring in Lamar Jackson for Pre Draft Visit

[Ring 6]

His final year’s completion percentage was less than 2% lower than Brady’s.

Brady college completion %
61.9, 61.0 total 61.9
Jackson
54.7, 56.2, 59.1. Total 57

20 years apart The norm for an comp % in college is much higher now.

 

[SHOWTIME15]

There’s something about this post that I like. Can’t quite put my finger on it, though.

I didn’t say anything particularly insightful but thanks.

 

[manxman2601]

There’s something about this post that I like. Can’t quite put my finger on it, though.

Worst man crush evah!

 

[manxman2601]

Brady college completion %
61.9, 61.0 total 61.9
Jackson
54.7, 56.2, 59.1. Total 57

20 years apart The norm for an comp % in college is much higher now.

So you’re saying Brady went backwards whilst Jackson improved

Largely I’m with you. Where we differ is that I do think Jackson can improve. Whether that’s enough is what I don’t know.

 

[Kontradiction]

Worst man crush evah!

If he busts, I’m retiring from trying to evaluate QBs.

 

[primetime]

None of them,except Vick who may have been the least accurate qb in the nfl in the last 30 years never got 60%.
Using Vick as an example proves my point not yours.

You cherry-picked a dumb red line. There's no statistical difference between a 59% and a 61%, and if you removed drops then Jackson would probably have had a better completion percentage than Brady in his final season, given the relative strength of Brady's supporting cast. He's coming out earlier than most of those guys, too. If we move the goalposts to "no seasons over 60% prior to their senior year" then you still end up with Carson Palmer, Mike Vick, and Russell Wilson. Not bad company.

College completion percentage is largely a product of scheme. An Erhardt-Perkins scheme is going to have a lower completion percentage in most cases than something entirely dependent on air raid or spread concepts. Jackson had an average depth of target much higher than a lot of these guys.

 

[Ring 6]

So you’re saying Brady went backwards whilst Jackson improved

Largely I’m with you. Where we differ is that I do think Jackson can improve. Whether that’s enough is what I don’t know.

Huh?

I don’t doubt he can improve. Hell every player drafts will be a huge bust if they dint improve.
I’m saying his flaw happens to be at the most important aspect of his position and an area that history shows is by far the most difficult to improve.
It’s not a matter of can’t its a matter of being very unlikely.
If Jackson ran like Brady he would probably be undrafted.
I’m of the belief you draft qbs because of the vital skills not the supplemental ones and the ones that win fit that analysis.

 

[manxman2601]

Huh?

I don’t doubt he can improve. Hell every player drafts will be a huge bust if they dint improve.
I’m saying his flaw happens to be at the most important aspect of his position and an area that history shows is by far the most difficult to improve.
It’s not a matter of can’t its a matter of being very unlikely.
If Jackson ran like Brady he would probably be undrafted.
I’m of the belief you draft qbs because of the vital skills not the supplemental ones and the ones that win fit that analysis.

Okay.

 

[patsinthesnow]

I don’t think 59.1 % completion (as opposed to 60%) ought to be a deal breaker.

Especially when he will be 21 years old his entire rookie season (Jimmy G was 23 for instance) & his accuracy improved each year.

Matt Ryan’s comp pct. in his final season was 59.3%. They are similar in the sense they both played in the ACC (carrying their teams) facing superior opponents.

 

[primetime]

Huh?

I don’t doubt he can improve. Hell every player drafts will be a huge bust if they dint improve.
I’m saying his flaw happens to be at the most important aspect of his position and an area that history shows is by far the most difficult to improve.
It’s not a matter of can’t its a matter of being very unlikely.
If Jackson ran like Brady he would probably be undrafted.
I’m of the belief you draft qbs because of the vital skills not the supplemental ones and the ones that win fit that analysis.

What are the "skills that win" for someone like Joe Flacco? Nick Foles? Eli Manning? Brad Johnson?

Aside from those guys, winning a Super Bowl the last two decades has seemed to mostly require being one of the top-5 quarterbacks or so of all-time, which is pretty aspirational with a draft pick.

 

[Ring 6]

You cherry-picked a dumb red line.

I didn’t create the stats the players did.

There's no statistical difference between a 59% and a 61%,

Of course there is an Jackson’s career was 57.

and if you removed drops then Jackson would probably have had a better completion percentage than Brady in his final season, given the relative strength of Brady's supporting cast.

So your argument is you can name things up?

He's coming out earlier than most of those guys, too. If we move the goalposts to "no seasons over 60% prior to their senior year" then you still end up with Carson Palmer, Mike Vick, and Russell Wilson. Not bad company.

Are you seriously arguing that
A Jackson doesn’t have accuracy issues?
B that Michael Vick is a good passer?

Russell Wilson complete almost 73% of his passes his last year in college.
Now I’m sure your argument will be that it was his fourth year, but he DID IT. It’s nit hypothetical or a projection.

College completion percentage is largely a product of scheme. An Erhardt-Perkins scheme is going to have a lower completion percentage in most cases than something entirely dependent on air raid or spread concepts. Jackson had an average depth of target much higher than a lot of these guys.

We will have to agree to disagree on this. Go ahead and have the last word if you wish.
We will find out in 5-10 years who was right.

 

[Clonamery]

Okay.

Can't argue with that response.

 

[Ring 6]

What are the "skills that win" for someone like Joe Flacco? Nick Foles? Eli Manning? Brad Johnson?

Aside from those guys, winning a Super Bowl the last two decades has seemed to mostly require being one of the top-5 quarterbacks or so of all-time, which is pretty aspirational with a draft pick.

Winning despite qb play does not define what qb play you want.

But given what wins you certainly should be looking for similar skill sets.

 

[SHOWTIME15]

None of them,except Vick who may have been the least accurate qb in the nfl in the last 30 years never got 60%.
Using Vick as an example proves my point not yours.

By the way note that for the most part you go back to the 1990s or early 00 when the college game was totally different.

I don’t think the numbers tell the whole story for every player. You have to see what sort of team he was on. For example, some analysts are saying Jackson’s team at Louisville had offensive line problems. That’s going to affect accuracy.

 

[Ring 6]

I don’t think the numbers tell the whole story for every player. You have to see what sort of team he was on. For example, some analysts are saying Jackson’s team at Louisville had offensive line problems. That’s going to affect accuracy.

We will have to agree to disagree.

 

[SHOWTIME15]

Especially when he will be 21 years old his entire rookie season (Jimmy G was 23 for instance) & his accuracy improved each year.

Matt Ryan’s comp pct. in his final season was 59.3%. They are similar in the sense they both played in the ACC (carrying their teams) facing superior opponents.

And Ryan’s completion percentage shot through the roof as his NFL career progressed.

 

[oceansizer]

Thursday night will certainly be interesting. I have ZERO idea of what BB will do.

For sure he will take at least one bust . If not Goodell will punish us for untypical draft.

 

[primetime]

Winning despite qb play does not define what qb play you want.

But given what wins you certainly should be looking for similar skill sets.

Cool, so, assuming "winning" means winning a Super Bowl, what we should be looking for is the skills at the Venn diagram intersect of Peyton Manning and Tom Brady and Aaron Rodgers and Ben Roethlisberger and Eli Manning and Nick Foles and Joe Flacco and Russell Wilson and Brad Johnson and Trent Dilfer. I'm sure you can identify for us what that intersect is.

(Hint: It's competent to good quarterback play with a good defense in almost every case.)

 

[primetime]

And Ryan’s completion percentage shot through the roof as his NFL career progressed.

Turns out throwing to Julio Jones and Tony Gonzalez rather than Rich Gunnell and Kevin Challenger helped a bit.

 

[TBR]

Don't want. I hope Arizona takes him.

Rebuild the defense and fill the holes on offense for the first two rounds.