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You ever see BB make his famous PB & J while in Cleveland? I think there’s a vid somewhere.Way to nix the bread's contributions. Wow.
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You ever see BB make his famous PB & J while in Cleveland? I think there’s a vid somewhere.Way to nix the bread's contributions. Wow.
True, Tony, but it does seem like Belichick is a different coach altogether when it comes to the overall gameplans and prep for the SB.Be fair Bob. Those defenses were just what the doctor ordered for a rookie QB. SB 36 was an awesome defensive effort against the greatest show on turf.
You ever see BB make his famous PB & J while in Cleveland? I think there’s a vid somewhere.
I have seen it.
Not sure what this is but it has the BB PB&J video attached.
Belichick's system wasn't successful before Brady got to Foxborough though.
Yes Brady could win elsewhere. And Belichick could win Super Bowls with QB's other than Tom Brady.I still feel brady could win a title with let's say the donkeys. He could win elsewhere.
Don't think it's about the game passing BB by. It's about a lack of athleticism on the defensive side of the ball. Look at their LB's. Hightower is always hurt and the rest are marginal backups. Safeties, nothing special. Have NOBODY to edge rush. They had to sign 80 year old Thug Harrison at the end of the year to find a pass rush. If Jacksonville had Nick Foles the Patriots would have lost to them at home and never made the SB. They need to be defense heavy with this upcoming draft/FA season.I just think that the game has changed. There's better qb's than there were when Brady entered the league. It's more of an offense/pass happy league. I just don't think Belichick has adjusted. I'm not saying the game has passed him by but man I always feel good about our offense. Not so warm and fuzzy feeling about our defense.
I still feel brady could win a title with let's say the donkeys. He could win elsewhere.
You mean the same guy who:Yes, his brilliant work over and over patching holes with a decimated roster is really horrible. The guy would win exec of the year every year and people like you still wouldn’t get it...
You mean the same guy who:
Chose Glas-IR Dowling with the first pick of Day 2 of the 2011 draft, when there were trades to be made for it?
Chose Tavon Wilson, who had essentially no grade from anywhere, with the 48th overall pick and Jake the Fake Bequette with the 90th pick of the 2012 draft?
Chose Aaron Dropson & his 8" hands with the 59th overall pick, ahead of Keenan Allen, in the 2013 draft?
Chose twice-damaged-goods Dom Easily (& his lousy attitude) with the 29th overall pick of the 2014 draft?
Chose Glitch Richards with the 64th overall pick and, adding insult to injury, GeeNo Gruesome with the 97th pick of the 2015 draft?
Chose little Cyrus the Virus Jones with the 60th overall pick and Fat Vinnie (& his questionable work ethic) Valentine with the 96th pick of the 2016 draft?
Chose Boney Tony Garcia with the 85th overall pick of the 2017 draft?
You mean that guy?
For Executive of the Year?
Thanks for the laugh; I needed it.
True, Tony, but it does seem like Belichick is a different coach altogether when it comes to the overall gameplans and prep for the SB.
8 games, all within one score. I think 6/8 have seen the opposition score within the final 2-3 minutes. Questionable calls on both sides of the ball—almost as if he’s somehow intimidated by the stage (hate to even type that). Some of it can be chalked up to good competition, but not all of it. We’ve seen Belichick absolutely destroy teams that were 11-2, 12-2 in the regular season like it was nothing.
All of a sudden he’s a jovial, approachable, well dressed coach who’s taking days off to see badly played basketball games and speaking to how confident he is in his team and their preparation. Every. Single. Time. I’m a huge Belichick supporter, but he gets a little weird during the most important 2 weeks of the season, and that’s still surprising to me, even after all of these years.
You mean the same guy who:
Chose Glas-IR Dowling with the first pick of Day 2 of the 2011 draft, when there were trades to be made for it?
Chose Tavon Wilson, who had essentially no grade from anywhere, with the 48th overall pick and Jake the Fake Bequette with the 90th pick of the 2012 draft?
Chose Aaron Dropson & his 8" hands with the 59th overall pick, ahead of Keenan Allen, in the 2013 draft?
Chose twice-damaged-goods Dom Easily (& his lousy attitude) with the 29th overall pick of the 2014 draft?
Chose Glitch Richards with the 64th overall pick and, adding insult to injury, GeeNo Gruesome with the 97th pick of the 2015 draft?
Chose little Cyrus the Virus Jones with the 60th overall pick and Fat Vinnie (& his questionable work ethic) Valentine with the 96th pick of the 2016 draft?
Chose Boney Tony Garcia with the 85th overall pick of the 2017 draft?
You mean that guy?
For Executive of the Year?
Thanks for the laugh; I needed it.
I think the most obvious thing is neither of them would have this type of success without each other. And one might argue neither would still be around if it weren't for the other.
Belichick can affect more of a game than Brady simply because he is the HC. If you include running plays where Brady has to diagnose the defense at the line, he was involved in around 49% of all Patriots plays in 2017. Belichick is involved in 100% of plays, and even one step further, can also select which guys he has on the roster. He has ultimate control.
That means Belichick has more input and control during a game than Brady. But that's true of all teams, whether they are successful or not. Chuck Pagano had more input and control during a game than Andrew Luck too.
Belichick is unique because he holds both the HC title and the final say for transactions as a GM (even though it's not officially his title). But that doesn't mean that job has to be the same person. Plenty of teams have separate groups handling it and do fine.
And it's also worth noting that after getting fired by the Browns, Belichick started out 5-13 with a Pro Bowl QB in Bledsoe. If things hadn't turned around with Brady that second season, would Belichick even be around, especially considering how Carroll was let go?
On the Brady side, there are several great QBs who have won championships. But there's not many with Brady's resilience. For all the talk of Rodgers's highlights, he struggles to play from behind.
Brady's mental toughness and ability to gather a team together is unique and special. I watched him at Michigan during the Drew Henson experiment. Henson would start, Brady would come in the 2nd quarter, and the hot hand would go the rest of the way. Same team, they'd struggle and fall behind with Henson, and Brady would have to dig them out of the holes. It's difficult to measure this, but it's there.
But Brady wouldn't have even made any other roster in the league. He was fortunate to land in the perfect spot for him. At the same time, Belichick was lucky to have him. That 2001 season ends quite differently if it's John Friesz or Michael Bishop who was retained after 2000.
So I don't think you can say which percentage belongs to who. It's a symbiotic relationship, and you could argue neither man would reach the heights they did without the either. I actually go one step further and think neither would have made it past year 4 without each other. One couldn't have succeeded without the other, and vice versa. So while I concede Belichick has more influence on the team overall, it wouldn't matter at all if it wasn't for Brady.
I'm shocked you didn't tell him to go troll somewhere else.Name the Coach or GM who has won more or had more success this century?
You can’t, they don’t exist.
14 division titles
8 Conference Championships
5 Lombardi’s
Your turn.
Boy. Nine bad picks in 18 years?? That's just unforgivable.
VV was productive at the end of the 2016 season btw. We'll see how that goes this season.
Cyrus the Virus (that's catchy) was starting to get over his yips last season so I still have hope for him.
Aaron Dropson showed some flashes until his foot injury but yeah he flamed out.
Garcia? You've got to give him more than a year before you can call him a bust.
I'm shocked you didn't tell him to go troll somewhere else.
Didn't he go to Kraft right after he was drafted and tell him he was the best decision the organization ever made. This is before he even knew what the system was about. Brady would have made it work anywhere.
While the Patriots were high on Brady, former Patriots general manager Scott Pioli explained that the team was a mess and they needed a lot of things but not a quarterback.
"When we took over the 2000 team we had a roster of 42 players and were $10.5 million over the salary cap," Pioli said on The Dan Patrick Show. "We had to get down to 39 players to get under the cap...We liked Brady a little bit. But the one thing we had with [just] 39 players on the roster was we had three quarterbacks."
You mean the same guy who:
Chose Glas-IR Dowling with the first pick of Day 2 of the 2011 draft, when there were trades to be made for it?
Chose Tavon Wilson, who had essentially no grade from anywhere, with the 48th overall pick and Jake the Fake Bequette with the 90th pick of the 2012 draft?
Chose Aaron Dropson & his 8" hands with the 59th overall pick, ahead of Keenan Allen, in the 2013 draft?
Chose twice-damaged-goods Dom Easily (& his lousy attitude) with the 29th overall pick of the 2014 draft?
Chose Glitch Richards with the 64th overall pick and, adding insult to injury, GeeNo Gruesome with the 97th pick of the 2015 draft?
Chose little Cyrus the Virus Jones with the 60th overall pick and Fat Vinnie (& his questionable work ethic) Valentine with the 96th pick of the 2016 draft?
Chose Boney Tony Garcia with the 85th overall pick of the 2017 draft?
You mean that guy?
For Executive of the Year?
Thanks for the laugh; I needed it.
You mean the same guy who:
Chose Glas-IR Dowling with the first pick of Day 2 of the 2011 draft, when there were trades to be made for it?
Chose Tavon Wilson, who had essentially no grade from anywhere, with the 48th overall pick and Jake the Fake Bequette with the 90th pick of the 2012 draft?
Chose Aaron Dropson & his 8" hands with the 59th overall pick, ahead of Keenan Allen, in the 2013 draft?
Chose twice-damaged-goods Dom Easily (& his lousy attitude) with the 29th overall pick of the 2014 draft?
Chose Glitch Richards with the 64th overall pick and, adding insult to injury, GeeNo Gruesome with the 97th pick of the 2015 draft?
Chose little Cyrus the Virus Jones with the 60th overall pick and Fat Vinnie (& his questionable work ethic) Valentine with the 96th pick of the 2016 draft?
Chose Boney Tony Garcia with the 85th overall pick of the 2017 draft?
You mean that guy?
For Executive of the Year?
Thanks for the laugh; I needed it.