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Let's play a game.

I will name a Tom Brady contemporary: a similarly successful QB from the same era (post-2001).

You name a Bill Belichick contemporary: a similarly successful coach from the same era.

The first person who cannot give a name loses.

I will go first: Peyton Manning.

Peyton Manning is not Tom Brady's contemporary. He has none. There has been no one like him. What are you doing?

If you can use PM I can use Tom Coughlin.

Next?
 
Peyton Manning is not Tom Brady's contemporary. He has none. There has been no one like him. What are you doing?

If you can use PM I can use Tom Coughlin.

Next?

There's a gap between Tom Brady and Peyton Manning. There's a yawning chasm between Bill Belichick and Tom Coughlin.

Drew Brees.
 
To say this game was on Belichick is an understatement. The burning of a timeout in the fourth quarter just for a 3rd and 6 when the Eagles weren't even on midfield was questionable. That's nonsense we would laugh at other coaches for doing if it they were to wish they had it back. Even if they get the first down, it's not the end of the world. Those timeouts are valuable.

The gameplan was atrocious. The bend but don't break nonsense is getting old. It only works by relying on your opponents to commit mistakes such as penalties, errant throws, and turnovers. Aside from Zach Ertz's false start in the opening drive, Philly didn't make a major mistake afterwards. The Pats took nothing away defensively. Bill didn't get his guys ready and prepared to make tackles to force 3rd down stops. He hasn't had a great defensive gameplan in almost 15 years. By the way, that was when he had Ty Law, Teddy, Vrabel, Harrison, McGuiness, and more that he inherited from Parcells.

Hoodie is the best of all time. Don't get me wrong. However, part of that is attributed to how he consistently relies on his opposing coaches being dumber than him. He teaches his players to not lunge for the endzone to avoid what happened with Jessie James in the Steelers game (Tomlin isn't a good enough coach to emphasize such as a thing). So many coaches mismanage timeouts (Andy Reid), get a delay of game after timeouts (Marone in the Bortles play), leave Gronk covered one on one with someone that can't do it (Tomlin), and hurriedly calls for a slant passes in the congested endzone with the game on the line (Pete Carol). The issue becomes what happens when he faces a coach that isn't going to make those type of mistakes with a talented roster? (Coughlin, the Hardbaughs, and now Pederson).

I know Butler had an illness but if he was okay enough to play special teams, he surely could have gotten some snaps on defense. Furthermore, it surely doesn't explain why Rowe was placed on Jeffrey instead of Gilmore in the first quarter. The inexplicable decision cost the pats points early in the game. Once Gilmore went on Jeffrey, he shut the receiver down. Why wasn't he on Jeffrey from the start? Also, did Bill not watch the Vikings' game to see that stopping the slants on these RPOs would lead to deep balls? It killed the Vikings. It didn't kill the Falcons only giving up slants as the Eagles only scored 15 points. No real gameplan was installed. Don't only scapegoat Patricia. Bill is a defensive minded coach so he's there with him making these decisions and he hired him anyway. Good luck Stafford and the Lions.

Once again, Brady played well enough to win. Bill has been relying on opponents screwing up and Brady bailing him out time after time after time (Seahawks and Falcons game). He and the front office have gotten complacent again with this roster. It is devoid of talent in the front seven compared to the teams they've face. The quality drop in the league as it pertains to smart play and the success they pulled out have made them believe everyone else is stupid. However, tonight the Eagles proved otherwise.

You could argue Bill the general manager and the head coach has cost Brady more rings. I am not saying Brady has always been perfect. No one is. But he has played well, especially today, to win. I'm waiting for Bill to have great gameplans. He's been installing simple plans like having a tight end chip on a pass rusher like JJ Watt or double teaming a receiver like Hopkins. Some thing most teams are too stupid to replicate but instead whine about the Patriots winning.

People talk about the system. Brady has had different offensive coordinators that he makes look good because of his ability to read defenses, make accurate throws, sense pass rush, look off linebackers and safeties, not throw to receivers he doesn't trust, lead receivers, and exploit mismatches on the field. I used to get frustrated watching Patriot teams such as the 2011 Patriots put out guys like Russ Ventrone at the secondary but relying on Brady bailing them out. These two Superbowls were won because Brady has gotten even better the last 4 years and due to teams choking. In this game, our opponents surprisingly didn't choke and that's why we lost. I know other guys stepped up and did their job like Bill preaches but they're still getting outplayed and out schemed for stretches.

History repeated itself. This game felt awfully similar to the late fourth quarter of the 2011 Giants Superbowl game. Belichick is a great coach with his attention to detail, mastery of the rule book, his ability to find hard working guys and put them in position to succeed, his teams being discipline, and his in game management. However, we've seen that only works if his roster is very talented and can make plays and or Brady being Brady. Once a coach actually has a clue and faces Bill, the Hoodie isn't always besting them with his simple gameplans. Hopefully, the Pats will learn from this and load up like how they did in 2014 following those previous seasons of the same playoff failures from the same aforementioned reasons.
After watching Two Bills and then this SB defense ******** when Brady could have 6th, i ve lost respect for BB. Butler sucked all year, but he is better than Richards for sure. Cudos to Pederson who outsmarted him with brilliant plan.
 
There's a gap between Tom Brady and Peyton Manning. There's a yawning chasm between Bill Belichick and Tom Coughlin.

Drew Brees.

Hahahaha. Gap.
 
I only wish that everyone would think about what they have had for the last 20 years and realize that pissing and moaning about what could have been or might have been is the equivalent of a billionaires son complaining about his terrible lot in life.
 
BB is extremely important. Let's be honest, without Brady how many playoff seasons, superbowls do we have. Without BB, we are still there every year.

Brady is also a tier above Peyton

How many superbowls did Dan Marino’s Dolphins get? Defense and Belichick has never been sexy, but if i had to start a new team, defense & the coach would be where I would start with.
 
To say this game was on Belichick is an understatement. The burning of a timeout in the fourth quarter just for a 3rd and 6 when the Eagles weren't even on midfield was questionable. That's nonsense we would laugh at other coaches for doing if it they were to wish they had it back. Even if they get the first down, it's not the end of the world. Those timeouts are valuable.

The gameplan was atrocious. The bend but don't break nonsense is getting old. It only works by relying on your opponents to commit mistakes such as penalties, errant throws, and turnovers. Aside from Zach Ertz's false start in the opening drive, Philly didn't make a major mistake afterwards. The Pats took nothing away defensively. Bill didn't get his guys ready and prepared to make tackles to force 3rd down stops. He hasn't had a great defensive gameplan in almost 15 years. By the way, that was when he had Ty Law, Teddy, Vrabel, Harrison, McGuiness, and more that he inherited from Parcells.

Hoodie is the best of all time. Don't get me wrong. However, part of that is attributed to how he consistently relies on his opposing coaches being dumber than him. He teaches his players to not lunge for the endzone to avoid what happened with Jessie James in the Steelers game (Tomlin isn't a good enough coach to emphasize such as a thing). So many coaches mismanage timeouts (Andy Reid), get a delay of game after timeouts (Marone in the Bortles play), leave Gronk covered one on one with someone that can't do it (Tomlin), and hurriedly calls for a slant passes in the congested endzone with the game on the line (Pete Carol). The issue becomes what happens when he faces a coach that isn't going to make those type of mistakes with a talented roster? (Coughlin, the Hardbaughs, and now Pederson).

I know Butler had an illness but if he was okay enough to play special teams, he surely could have gotten some snaps on defense. Furthermore, it surely doesn't explain why Rowe was placed on Jeffrey instead of Gilmore in the first quarter. The inexplicable decision cost the pats points early in the game. Once Gilmore went on Jeffrey, he shut the receiver down. Why wasn't he on Jeffrey from the start? Also, did Bill not watch the Vikings' game to see that stopping the slants on these RPOs would lead to deep balls? It killed the Vikings. It didn't kill the Falcons only giving up slants as the Eagles only scored 15 points. No real gameplan was installed. Don't only scapegoat Patricia. Bill is a defensive minded coach so he's there with him making these decisions and he hired him anyway. Good luck Stafford and the Lions.

Once again, Brady played well enough to win. Bill has been relying on opponents screwing up and Brady bailing him out time after time after time (Seahawks and Falcons game). He and the front office have gotten complacent again with this roster. It is devoid of talent in the front seven compared to the teams they've face. The quality drop in the league as it pertains to smart play and the success they pulled out have made them believe everyone else is stupid. However, tonight the Eagles proved otherwise.

You could argue Bill the general manager and the head coach has cost Brady more rings. I am not saying Brady has always been perfect. No one is. But he has played well, especially today, to win. I'm waiting for Bill to have great gameplans. He's been installing simple plans like having a tight end chip on a pass rusher like JJ Watt or double teaming a receiver like Hopkins. Some thing most teams are too stupid to replicate but instead whine about the Patriots winning.

People talk about the system. Brady has had different offensive coordinators that he makes look good because of his ability to read defenses, make accurate throws, sense pass rush, look off linebackers and safeties, not throw to receivers he doesn't trust, lead receivers, and exploit mismatches on the field. I used to get frustrated watching Patriot teams such as the 2011 Patriots put out guys like Russ Ventrone at the secondary but relying on Brady bailing them out. These two Superbowls were won because Brady has gotten even better the last 4 years and due to teams choking. In this game, our opponents surprisingly didn't choke and that's why we lost. I know other guys stepped up and did their job like Bill preaches but they're still getting outplayed and out schemed for stretches.

History repeated itself. This game felt awfully similar to the late fourth quarter of the 2011 Giants Superbowl game. Belichick is a great coach with his attention to detail, mastery of the rule book, his ability to find hard working guys and put them in position to succeed, his teams being discipline, and his in game management. However, we've seen that only works if his roster is very talented and can make plays and or Brady being Brady. Once a coach actually has a clue and faces Bill, the Hoodie isn't always besting them with his simple gameplans. Hopefully, the Pats will learn from this and load up like how they did in 2014 following those previous seasons of the same playoff failures from the same aforementioned reasons.
BB is more valuable than brady.
 
BB is more valuable than brady.

Patsfans at a Thanksgiving dinner:

"It's the Turkey that makes this dinner as good as it is"

"Bull ****!! It's the mashed pototoes"

"None of that is any good without the gravy..."

"No credit for the cranberry sauce....??"

"Is it even a complete meal without corn of the cob and the buttered rolls??"

Blah blah blah

Shut up and eat your dinner. :D
 
After watching Two Bills and then this SB defense ******** when Brady could have 6th, i ve lost respect for BB. Butler sucked all year, but he is better than Richards for sure. Cudos to Pederson who outsmarted him with brilliant plan.


Butler doesn't play vs Move TEs and never has. Richards meanwhile was Chung's back up the Rover role. They are different positions.

The selection of Richards has nothing to do with Butler. It's a shame Chung got concussed, but this logic of SB 49 Butler or 2015 Butler rescuing the team, is quite comical to me.

That said, I agree that Richards is not really an NFL Safety and really is an old school SS, that plays only downhill. He's actually a sound tackler with a good nose for the ball, but that doesn't mean anything when you lack range and struggle to move laterally at that spot. Butler moves better laterally without questions, but he plays small, and Ertz would have eaten him alive, too, and throw on top of that Butler lost BB's trust.

He had an up and down year, all year, was clearly freelancing early in the year for INTs and a new, big contract after stupidly turning down 8 mil per in the offseason from BB.

You can't do all of that, get the flu, lash out at coaches, miss meetings and curfews, and act like it's still 2015.

Butler really thought he was going to go to a new team as RFA, get 8 mil+ per year for a long term deal, which means we may be dealing with someone who has some serious emotional or psychological damage from his views of what he was thinking he was going to get, financially.

Jeff Howe@jeffphowe

"Patriots offered Butler somewhere around $6M to $7M annually last season. Butler hoped to be paid in the ballpark of a top-10 CB."



Regardless, none of that helped us on Sunday.
 
Butler never got over this:

Jeff Howe@jeffphowe

Patriots told Butler last season they wouldn't pay a CB more than $10M annually, so the Gilmore contract was definitely a gut punch.

10:25 AM - Mar 13, 2017


And, the thing is, Gilmore got better the whole year, and Butler got worse.

Sucks, but Butler did this to himself. He was essentially a mental case and just stopped caring, ruining our team's chances.

So, Butler thought he was superior to Chris Harris of Denver, and may or may not helped us lose a SB over it.

Add Butler to the long list of those who wanted to use BB's incredible work environment fo their own personal and deluded gain.
 
Belichick had his system in place BEFORE Tom Brady even stepped foot in Foxboro - Brady is not a system quarterback but Belichick's system and the way he runs this team fits Brady's type of play to perfection...thats why they have success.

A Peanut Butter & Jelly Sandwich would suck ass it either one of those ingredients was left out...same with BB & Brady - they work together.
 
I thought bill had a terrible Sunday. Even the greats screw up. Brady almost carried BB to a win on Sunday. I do feel he's overrated as a defensive guy.
 
Butler never got over this:

Jeff Howe@jeffphowe

Patriots told Butler last season they wouldn't pay a CB more than $10M annually, so the Gilmore contract was definitely a gut punch.

10:25 AM - Mar 13, 2017


And, the thing is, Gilmore got better the whole year, and Butler got worse.

Sucks, but Butler did this to himself. He was essentially a mental case and just stopped caring, ruining our team's chances.

So, Butler thought he was superior to Chris Harris of Denver, and may or may not helped us lose a SB over it.

Add Butler to the long list of those who wanted to use BB's incredible work environment fo their own personal and deluded gain.

Give me a break with that. Butler looked very good against the jags in the second half. He's much better than what bill put out on Sunday. Still don't know what he was thinking.
 
I'll say the same thing about Brady as I said about Welker -- he makes that catch and we are not having this conversation. Gisele warned us, "My Husband Can Not F*king Throw The Ball And Catch The Ball At The Same Time."
 
I'll say the same thing about Brady as I said about Welker -- he makes that catch and we are not having this conversation. Gisele warned us, "My Husband Can Not F*king Throw The Ball And Catch The Ball At The Same Time."

Give me a break, it was a stupid playcall. They don't botch the snap on that 25 yard FG attempt and Gronk times his leap better on the hailmary (or the refs through the flag for the most blatant illegal contact to Hogan or roughing the passer on the very late on Brady) and we aren't having this conversation. Brady literally could have played the identical game, but one or two players here or there, 1 defensive stop here, we aren't having this conversation. Or better yet, Mason doesn't get beat, the strip sack never happens, Brady wins the game. Or the defense makes one stop on what ended up as the Eagles game-winning drive, the D-line never gets a chance to catch their breath, and Brady puts the game away.

We could play this game all day. Point is Brady flat-out 'balled' Sunday, despite a ton of pressure from the D-line. It's amazing he even put the team in position to win considering how terrible the defense was and the pressure he was under.

Without Brady, BB might not have any Superbowls. He's made a career out of bailing the defense out in the Superbowl. Maybe I give him the first Superbowl.
 
having a great qb like brady far outweighs the difference between an average coach and a great coach.
Brady carries this team...been that way for a while.
 
I thought bill had a terrible Sunday. Even the greats screw up. Brady almost carried BB to a win on Sunday. I do feel he's overrated as a defensive guy.

Yes, his brilliant work over and over patching holes with a decimated roster is really horrible. The guy would win exec of the year every year and people like you still wouldn’t get it.

Offensive era, qb league.

Get over it or learn from others. Ugh.
 
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