JOSH WILL COACH INDY

[RobertWeathers]

What do you mean? He doesn’t need more help than any other QBs.

Line sucks, D sucks, coaches suck, RBs old, receivers are OK not great.

Needs major help.

 

[Ring 6]

Line sucks, D sucks, coaches suck, RBs old, receivers are OK not great.

Needs major help.

Every qb needs help.
They were 3-13 team, and probably 9-7 if luck was healthy. Bad qb play makes everyone look worse.

 

[Hammer of Thor]

McDaniels ran (and admitted running) an illegal taping operation at one of his non-NE stops.

Broncos videotape scandal results in fine, embarrassment – The Denver Post

Short story -- the NFL claims Scar's son was rogue and then told McDaniels he got tape, McDaniels said he didn't want to see anything he taped and left it at that. Someone else found out and blew the whistle to the NFL. McDaniels got in trouble for not reporting the issue to the NFL, not for involvement in the taping itself.

 

[Ring 6]

No. its his actual words.

Like I said, I'm just going off what Luck actually said.

There is no debate as to Josh having access to Luck's medical condition. With that said, the fact he is in The Netherlands is curious.

What actual words? And why would you think he is still in the Netherlands?
This is what he said.


“So November 2nd, pretty soon after that I went over to the Netherlands and started doing rehab with the trainer that I’ve worked with in the past and I trust very much. There’s really not much more to it than that. We just rehabbed at a clinic in the Netherlands. Nothing crazy, no injections. Nothing out of the ordinary,” Luck told reporters in December. “Yeah – rehab, strength training and soft tissue work.”

 

[RobertWeathers]

What actual words? And why would you think he is still in the Netherlands?
This is what he said.


“So November 2nd, pretty soon after that I went over to the Netherlands and started doing rehab with the trainer that I’ve worked with in the past and I trust very much. There’s really not much more to it than that. We just rehabbed at a clinic in the Netherlands. Nothing crazy, no injections. Nothing out of the ordinary,” Luck told reporters in December. “Yeah – rehab, strength training and soft tissue work.”

Little more detail.

Until he starts throwing, no one knows anything except Luck

QB Luck: Shoulder is 'stronger, more stable'

 

[obgod3]

I love that Doyel is losing his **** over this ......lmao

Doyel: The Colts are expected to hire Josh McDaniels ... why?

 

[farn]

That is fine, many can keep bragging Luck. We’ll see if he ever amounts to much.

 

[Bobsyouruncle]

I think you're very wrong, the Colts recievers and TEs have stunk outside of Hilton, the likes of Coby Fleener, Dwayne Allen, Jack Doyle, Moncrief ect

He's had Jimmy Graham too in Seattle.

Wilson also had Marshawn Lynch for years and Luck had no running game for his career oh and look as soon as Lynch leaves, Wilson doesn't sniff another Super Bowl.

Where were all these elite weapons with Brissett this year?

Brissett isn't any good, so it wouldn't matter if he had Jerry Rice. Good QBs make good receivers and vice versa.

Wilson didn't get Graham until after he had been to two Super Bowls so I don't see how you can give him credit for anything. Wilson also won a playoff game without Lynch. His primary targets are two undrafted WRs.

Luck had a HOF WR in Wayne, a very good one in Hilton, they drafted his College TE Fleener to help him with Dwayne Allen at the other spot.

The last problem in Indy is that they didn't invest in surrounding Luck with talent. Certainly compared to Wilson.

 

[Deus Irae]

That is fine, many can keep bragging Luck. We’ll see if he ever amounts to much.

Responding to silly attacks against the guy by pointing to facts and history is not "bragging".

 

[primetime]

Wilson's lack of Super Bowls has more to do with his defense getting hurt and getting old than anything. His offensive line is also putrid.

I do think Luck is substantially better than many Patriots fans give him credit for, but who knows if he'll ever be the same after an injury like that.

 

[Deus Irae]

Brissett isn't any good, so it wouldn't matter if he had Jerry Rice. Good QBs make good receivers and vice versa.

Wilson didn't get Graham until after he had been to two Super Bowls so I don't see how you can give him credit for anything. Wilson also won a playoff game without Lynch. His primary targets are two undrafted WRs.

Luck had a HOF WR in Wayne, a very good one in Hilton, they drafted his College TE Fleener to help him with Dwayne Allen at the other spot.

The last problem in Indy is that they didn't invest in surrounding Luck with talent. Certainly compared to Wilson.

Since Carroll's arrival in 2010, Seattle has taken WRs in rounds (Not looking below round 4):

3 (Darboh)
2 (Lockett)
2 (Richardson)
4 (Norwood)
4 (Harper)
4 (Durham)
2 (Tate)

They also drafted Vannett as a 3rd round TE.

In that same time, the Colts have taken:

1 (Dorsett)
2 (Moncrief)
3 (Hilton)

with Fleener as a 2nd round TE pick and Allen as a 3rd round TE pick.

The Colts have drafted a total of 7 WRs and TEs beginning in 2010. The Seahawks have drafted a total of 12 WRs and TEs beginning in 2010.

 

[primetime]

Also, I'll note that the big narrative with Wilson was that the Seahawks were able to have such a dominant defense because they were paying their starter 4th round rookie money. Since they had to give him a real quarterback contract, their defense has aged and their offensive line has disappeared and they haven't been able to adequately replace their players because they don't have that cap flexibility that they used to. They couldn't retain Carpenter or Okung and traded Unger for Graham; they also lost Bruce Irvin and Brandon Mebane. And now their defensive backs have started falling like flies, so really all they have is Wilson.

 

[Deus Irae]

I don't think he will be a guy that wins 3 or more Super Bowls.

Who gives a ****, since that's obviously not the requirement for success? A grand total of 3 quarterbacks have won 3 or more Super Bowls.

On the other hand, this year's Super Bowl will feature either Case Keenum or Nick Foles as a starting QB, and the starting QB on the other side is either going to be Tom "G.O.A.T." Brady or Blake Bortles.

 

[farn]

Responding to silly attacks against the guy by pointing to facts and history is not "bragging".

You overrate Luck and blame his misfortunes on coaching, teammates, and the previous personnel decisions. I rate him much less favourably based on his inability to get big wins when it counts, his INTs in the post season and - granted he has had some regular season success - he has an INT per regular season game as well (68 in 70 contests).

Grigson didn’t force him into stupid decisions with the ball when pressure was on. Regular season success in a cesspool division (the years he was most successful) which included 6 games against awful teams with awful QBs isn’t that impressive.

I can’t be the only one who thinks Luck is overrated. You have made it clear that you disagree. We just aren’t going to be on the same page here. I still believe he will fade out and his best years (which were ok at best) are behind him.

 

[Deus Irae]

You overrate Luck and blame his misfortunes on coaching, teammates, and the previous personnel decisions. I rate him much less favourably based on his inability to get big wins when it counts, his INTs in the post season and - granted he has had some regular season success - he has an INT per regular season game as well (68 in 70 contests).

Grigson didn’t force him into stupid decisions with the ball when pressure was on. Regular season success in a cesspool division (the years he was most successful) which included 6 games against awful teams with awful QBs isn’t that impressive.

I can’t be the only one who thinks Luck is overrated. You have made it clear that you disagree. We just aren’t going to be on the same page here. I still believe he will fade out and his best years (which were ok at best) are behind him.

I don't overrate him. You just have a lousy take, and you call it a brag when people point out the flaws in your argument.

Reality check:

He had a lousy 2015, when he was injured and ended up on the shelf about halfway through the season. However, in 2014 and 2016 combined, he threw for 71 TDs and 29 INTs, which is pretty darned good (by way of example, Peyton didn't start being consistently better than 2:1 until his 6th NFL season, and Brady until his 4th), and his QB ratings were 96.5 and 96.4 respectively. Even in 2013, just his second season in the league, he went 23/9 TD/INT and had a decent enough, for a sophomore QB, 87.0 rating, which was just below Brady and above the likes of Stafford, Palmer and Tannehill. He took his team to the playoffs in each of his first 3 seasons, and went one game further each of those 3 years.

That's not a brag. That's just the data.


Hell, Tom Brady's thrown 31 picks in 35 playoff games. That guy must suck, right?

 

[Patriot Missile]

I appreciate everything Josh did here but If he goes there can't say I wish him any luck whatsoever. He instantly becomes the enemy when his employment begins for that trash owner.

 

[Ring 6]

I appreciate everything Josh did here but If he goes there can't say I wish him any luck whatsoever. He instantly becomes the enemy when his employment begins for that trash owner.

I’m a root for the laundry guy and have never really cared about players or coaches that leave. But I’ll be intrigued by what mcd does with this shot and I just love Matty P so he may be the first non patriot I actually root for in over 40 years.

 

[Patriot Missile]

Matty P is going to Detroit and I will be following him with pride. If he had been going to the Colts I'd probably feel the same way I feel about McDaniels going there.

Jets, Colts, Ravens and Steelers are just too foul to me.

 

[TB_Helmet]

You overrate Luck and blame his misfortunes on coaching, teammates, and the previous personnel decisions. I rate him much less favourably based on his inability to get big wins when it counts, his INTs in the post season and - granted he has had some regular season success - he has an INT per regular season game as well (68 in 70 contests).

Grigson didn’t force him into stupid decisions with the ball when pressure was on. Regular season success in a cesspool division (the years he was most successful) which included 6 games against awful teams with awful QBs isn’t that impressive.

I can’t be the only one who thinks Luck is overrated. You have made it clear that you disagree. We just aren’t going to be on the same page here. I still believe he will fade out and his best years (which were ok at best) are behind him.

I think that stating Andrew Luck is overrated is a hot take and I think most people would disagree with you, including me.

When healthy, Luck is one of the best QBs in the league. He has a great arm, is an accurate passer, and reads defenses well. He's as mobile as Aaron Rodgers and his scrambling has to be accounted for. He's solid and hard to take down. He's smart and demonstrates great leadership. (As an aside, his habit of complimenting defensive players who sack him is hilarious and probably disarming to them).

He probably throws more interceptions than he should but he is (was) still young and learning. Look at all the INTs Peyton threw when he was starting out. I'm sure McDaniels would help with that.

I don't know what you mean by "inability to get big wins when it counts." He's 3-3 in the playoffs. Two of those losses were against the Patriots; I don't fault anyone for not being able to beat the GOAT QB and Coach. The third one was when he was a rookie. If you think he comes up small under pressure then I encourage you to watch the KC comeback game, which was probably the second most impressive postseason comeback of the last decade.

He was absolutely surrounded by subpar talent by the Colts, who have botched this whole thing. They traded a first round pick for Trent Richardson; 'nuff said. They drafted way too many skill position players instead of O-linemen to protect their franchise player. Their roster management is universally reviled. The fell ass backwards into Luck and basically ruined him. This whole medical issue with him is incredibly f'd up; there's way more going on than they've let on.

Now I'm mad because you made me write five paragraphs defending the Colts QB. I have to go take a shower.

 

[Foxypats]

Why are these things being mentioned even before our season is over ? And I anyway hate the thought of Josh going to the Colts !