Future Extension for Cooks

[PatsFan2]

Weis has forgotten more about football than I know but I think his comments are exaggerated.

What are you saying rob the game has passed Charlie by?? That Gastric bypass surgery didn't work for Charlie at all.

 

[RobertWeathers]

What are you saying rob the game has passed Charlie by?? That Gastric bypass surgery didn't work for Charlie at all.

I think they added a 2nd stomach instead.

 

[long distance]

Weis has forgotten more about football than I know but I think his comments are exaggerated.

Sure, but if BB agrees with half of it he won't be paying Cooks Gronk money. I don't know what Hogs market will be but he might be closer to stay than Cooks after 2018..

 

[luuked]

Weis has forgotten more about football than I know but I think his comments are exaggerated.

Of course he is exaggerating for media purposes but ultimately his point still stands. With the rest of the roster being the same who would you rather have right now for the playoffs? Edelman or Cooks?

 

[RobertWeathers]

Sure, but if BB agrees with half of it he won't be paying Cooks Gronk money. I don't know what Hogs market will be but he might be closer to stay than Cooks after 2018..

Hogs will get JE11 money. $4m or around there. He'll be 30.

Gronk is a bargain.

 

[RobertWeathers]

Of course he is exaggerating for media purposes but ultimately his point still stands. With the rest of the roster being the same who would you rather have right now for the playoffs? Edelman or Cooks?

Of course I'd want JE11 but Charlie the Hutt is off his rocker.

You don't catch 60 balls for 1000 yards by running ****ty routes.

 

[luuked]

You don't catch 60 balls for 1000 yards by running ****ty routes.

Not that I care enough about Weis to defend him but I think the point was that other than his deep routes (and things that build off that like comebacks) his route running skills can be improved. But whatevs.. it is unreasonable to assume that a decision on a Cooks extension would happen this offseason unless he approaches the Pats with something team friendly. So lets just put a pin into it and see how he looks next year..

 

[long distance]

Billy only paid Moss big money. He had 16 TD on average over 3 yrs, 23 in first.
Cooks has 7.

Here's another reminder why one shouldn't bet on BB unloading for a WR:
(imagine if they were not banged up so much..)

 

[luuked]

Billy only paid Moss big money. He had 16 TD on average over 3 yrs, 23 in first.
Cooks has 7.

Here's another reminder why one shouldn't bet on BB unloading for a WR:

The thing that starts to bother me is that it seems like some people think that the criticism raised about Cooks has to do with his production which is not true. At least not for me. As I have stated a dozen of times I think his numbers are absolutely fine. My issue is more about the diversity of how his production came together.

 

[supafly]

As NG said, Cooks is literally 24 right now. Think about him as a guy we just drafted and are developing.

Furthermore, I don't know if y'all have been watching the games but I have. There were literally 2 catches that Cooks missed on yesterday - 1 where he thought that the play was over, and one where he had a drop. It seems like everyone continues to view that slow down catch of representative of Cooks entire season. That's called a mistake, not some intangible that defined you. The real issue is that the ball is too frequently underthrown or overthrown for the ball to end up in the WRs hands. Cooks could have tacked on at least another two hundred or three hundred yards of offense if the ball actually ended up in his hands instead of in front of him or behind him. He was more successful with those type of routes last year since Brees has been throwing deep balls to his receivers for a while now. Brady hasn't had a deep threat like Cooks in several years, so isn't nearly as comfortable throwing them. You can see how much Brady tries to throw those balls (which somewhat indicates that Cooks gets open), but they often end in DPI, Ints, or Incomplete passes. I think that Cooks is a superstar right now and his yardage will only increase as Brady improves his accuracy on those deep balls. Had Cooks had even 100 more yards, I don't think that anyone would be saying that he's a WR2/3 or a complementary piece. 2 and 3's don't put up those numbers.

The debate shouldn’t be about the opinions on Cooks and for most, I doubt that it is. The debate is about whether or not he’s worth around 15m a year, since Adams was just reupped for 14.5m.

 

[TBR]

Cooks has a couple of flaws in his game. He has a tendency to bail out of plays. He probably gave away a long TD yesterday in doing that but there have been a number of other occasions. He needs to play the play all the way through. That's easily fixable and I'm sure BB will point that out in meetings.

Another weakness is that he doesn't seem to have that instant hand-eye reaction ability that allows Edelman and Amendola to locate and secure balls that are almost on them as they come out of their breaks. That bang-bang / see-catch that JE and DA can do Cooks cannot - yet. He needs some time with Brady and Edelman in off season workouts to develop that.

While Cooks has shown some slick skills he doesn't - yet - radiate that Patriots aura, at least to my eye. This is obviously intangible but there's a next level of desire, I suppose it would be, that separates Gronk, Lewis, Edelman, Amendola from Cooks - at this point in his Pats career. He's young and I hope he'll grow into it. If he does , we'll have an elite WR.

Hit the nail on the head.

 

[Ochmed Jones]

I think we may be misleading ourselves as to what cooks is what he is not.

Cooks only runs a limited route tree. He does Outs, ups, curls and end arounds. He might do a deep slant if he takes a strong shot of courage juice.

To expect him to be a faster version of Dion branch is not realistic.

As long as everyone realizes cooks limitations, we are good.

Ps: come free agency, someone will overpay for him. We just need to collect the draft pick,

 

[supafly]

I think we may be misleading ourselves as to what cooks is what he is not.

Cooks only runs a limited route tree. He does Outs, ups, curls and end arounds. He might do a deep slant if he takes a strong shot of courage juice.

To expect him to be a faster version of Dion branch is not realistic.

Ps: come free agency, someone will overpay for him. We just need to collect the draft pick,

Why couldn’t he be a faster version of Deion Branch, though? I mean, what’s stopping him?

We have him under contract through spring of 2019 since they’ve already picked up his fifth year option. At the end of next season I imagine they’ll see just how much he’s improved upon his first year in 2017. I think some of that will include things like running more precise and complete routes, as well as working on the timing/back shoulder type of stuff.

If they’re going to keep him and pay him good money, they’ll almost certainly want him to improve. Just my opinion.

 

[MainePatsFan26]

The thing that starts to bother me is that it seems like some people think that the criticism raised about Cooks has to do with his production which is not true. At least not for me. As I have stated a dozen of times I think his numbers are absolutely fine. My issue is more about the diversity of how his production came together.

Cooks hasn't demonstrated the "it" factor enough. He makes some big plays, but he also drops passes and hasn't helped fill that slot role that a guy his size needs to play.

Honestly, dump him unless he is cheap. There are likely better and more consistent weapons that would better fit our system for less money, provided we find a coach who can help replicate Josh's offense with a few new wrinkles. I'm prepared to eat my shirt if Cooks wins us a championship with a great play or two, but the evidence isn't there to throw money at him just yet.

 

[chasa]

Cooks hasn't demonstrated the "it" factor enough. He makes some big plays, but he also drops passes and hasn't helped fill that slot role that a guy his size needs to play.

Honestly, dump him unless he is cheap. There are likely better and more consistent weapons that would better fit our system for less money, provided we find a coach who can help replicate Josh's offense with a few new wrinkles. I'm prepared to eat my shirt if Cooks wins us a championship with a great play or two, but the evidence isn't there to throw money at him just yet.

saved for posterity.

 

[TheFlyingWedge]

He still puts up the stats of a legit WR. That and his big play speed will undoubtedly lure some lucrative contract offers in free agency. The Pats won’t be able to match and they shouldn’t.

 

[K. Dog]

Can we quantify or at least analyze how Cooks presence affects the defense even if he isn’t targeted or misses the pass?

 

[rochrist]

He still puts up the stats of a legit WR. That and his big play speed will undoubtedly lure some lucrative contract offers in free agency. The Pats won’t be able to match and they shouldn’t.

Yeah, by all means, lets bury a kid who puts up 3 1000+ yard seasons before he turns 25. Seems legit to me.

 

[PatsFan2]

Can we quantify or at least analyze how Cooks presence affects the defense even if he isn’t targeted or misses the pass?

Brandin Cooks Clear outs opens things up for Gronk - Our RB's and Amendola over the middle. Amendola's Pivot routes are lethal over the middle. Also James White runs the smoothest Angle Routes from the backfield, the LB's are at his mercy. A healthy Hogan should benefit from from a Cooks single or double team.

 

[PatriotsFan87]

Yeah, by all means, lets bury a kid who puts up 3 1000+ yard seasons before he turns 25. Seems legit to me.

Takes top off, but underneath or intermediate routes... sucks in my opinion. Not even holding a candle to Edelman or amendola. Over paid, be good to get someone else. Unless he catches bombs and we win.

Mark this, Sunday. Bombs away Cooks.

Fescious you all...not me