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Do Patriot fans have less loyalty to Tom Brady than Browns fans did to Bernie Kosar

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Do Patriot fans have less loyalty to Tom Brady than Browns fans did to Bernie Kosar

Why is "did" used for the comparison verb?
 
An Italian medical team is performing a human head transplant this year.

Brady's son by Bridget Moynahan is 9. If he can hang in there 10 more years through avocado shakes and the like, I see the end game.
 
BS. He moved the team up and down the field, only to be foiled by turnovers, the biggest of which was his fault. But, if you watch the replay of that game, and it's readily available, you'll see his receivers had a bunch of drops they normally catch. This notion that Brady sucked for three quarters is urban legend crap.


I think he also had many misses on his passes too. Brady was not blameless for the first three Quarters of play.

Also I object to the thesis of this whole fool post. What good did loyalty to a QB past his prime do? It only helped to drive a GOAT coach out of town... stupid fans Why should we want to emulate idiotic fans.
 
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I think he also had many misses on his passes too. Brady was not blameless for the first three Quarters of play.

Also I object to the thesis of this whole fool post. What good did loyalty to a QB past his prime do? It only helped to drive a GOAT coach out of town... stupid fans Why should we want to emulate idiotic fans.
The thesis of the post isn't to emulate anything. It's that if any teams fans show gratitude loyalty and commitment to any player who has ever played it should be patriot fans to Brady and too many of them do not appreciate what they have had.
 
The thesis of the post isn't to emulate anything. It's that if any teams fans show gratitude loyalty and commitment to any player who has ever played it should be patriot fans to Brady and too many of them do not appreciate what they have had.
Oh Andy, your my hero!
 
The big miscarraige of justice was voting a jealous man whose only talent was writing overpaid advertising jingles, to the NFL HOF. Art Modell inherited the greatest Coach in the N,FL and fired him. He hired an up and comer and fired him after moving the team to Baltimore. That coach has replaced Paul Brown as the greatest coach of all time. He took 5 years off Brown's records, and did the same to Belichick's career too.

That jealous non-entity doesn't deserve to be among the greats.
 
With some of the back and forth, I was reminded of the first 20 seconds of this clip:

 
The thesis of the post isn't to emulate anything. It's that if any teams fans show gratitude loyalty and commitment to any player who has ever played it should be patriot fans to Brady and too many of them do not appreciate what they have had.

What should I do as a Patriots fan who has these emotional states as regards Tom Brady, but am aware of empirical considerations that have changed, and continue to change, year after year?

I stipulate of course that when the change comes is not mine to know. We don't have empirical evidence now. We also don't know the Foxborough calculus that determines when "a year too early is," and whether this calculus is the same for TFB as for everybody else.

All stipulated. I have man love for Brady, let's even say it's greater than yours. But my gray matter is capable of projecting possible futures. What am I to do, when our emotional states are identical as regards Brady, yet mine is tempered by knowledge of future uncertainties, and most likely "models" of how the Patriots have managed future downside risk?

Should I be ruled solely by my emotion, or should I entertain "clumps of outcomes" where, to my layman's eye, the uncertainties have greater chances of collapsing into actual events?

Your emotions are the heart of being a fan, read, fanatic. So are mine, so are all of ours.

I've seen potatoes on here impugning my Brady-love for the sin of listening to the analytical side of my brain. I freely admit it could be wrong, and that Brady is magic. But in every other case, the QB has not been magic or immortal. Ask "Magic Man" Majkowski. Ask his usurper, Brett Favrevrah. As the pre-Brady Brady, and Brady's hero, Joe Montana.

Your man-love for Brady is scheduled to change. There are three norns in Greek mythology who are presently watching Brady's career. One spins out the yarn of his career, one measures it, and one cuts it. Yes, the Norns now watch football.

Cope.

JG only comes into play because to the extent that he fits the bill as successor (which might well be overexxagerated,) one question for future scenarios is answered.

To gauge this function of the JG variable, of course, there are confounding factors:
(1) He might be made of glass, and the coaching staff might have so judged him - and this is a head fake
(2) He might be fairly durable, which the coaching staff thinks is likely the deal - and asking high picks is selling high (but nobody's buying)
(3) They might be trying to keep him warm, just in case.
(4) They might really really want to see what he can do, because the future is coming.

These are again big variables, as to how we place JG in any Brady conversation.

But whatever it's about it's not about how you have a bigger man crush on TFB than everybody else. It's about watching these developments with our eyes open, whatever our hearts say.

And I'm really, really sorry about Bernie Kosar. Not to mention Drew Bledsoe.

Don't talk short-term to me. "The day may come when the body of Brady fails, but this is not that day!" Okay I'm with you. We're not talking about today, we're talking about tomorrow, and when tomorrow comes.

Because however long or glorious the day, the night comes.

At some point we're just looking for the best possible Morning In New England.

It. Will. Happen.

And YES I love Tom freakin Brady - despite the fact that you and I both know he would never give a crap about meeting you, me, or anybody else on this board. We're part of the machine that pays for him. To him, we're ants in the way for the foundation of his next home, more or less. Then on a ******** talk basis, we related to him and him to us in a loving way.

You. Are. His. Fan. You mean nothing to him. You and I owe nothing to him. He doesn't really love us. Individually he doesn't know us or know of us. He does not give a ****, and neither could you if you were him. Too many people to "love."

He's the unprecedentedly successful QB of the team I follow. If we're thinking clearly, isn't that it?

I LOVE watching what he's done. I LOVE arguing against any idiot still claiming that his accolades aren't all they're cracked up to be. I am rooting for one, two, 5 superbowls more with the Patriots. The legend builds and builds and builds, huzzah! The dumb part of my brain is tickled.

But when it becomes Team Interest vs. Brady Interest, I'm a team fan, not a Brady fan.

We'll miss you when TFB goes.

(and yeah this thread is still going)
 
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There is no rational argument for replacing Brady with Garrapolo, if there were it would have been made by now. Kellerman's Cliff is all there is, and no matter how many times those with wood for Garrapolo pretend they actually respect Brady you can't buy into that idea without disrespecting Brady.


Keep on pretending, or make an actual fact based argument for Garrapolo, you can't have it both ways. Kellerman's Cliff is a FU to Brady, period.

I can't f.cking wait for Garrapolo to be gone so this bullsh.t comes to an end, Jesus I am sick of this crap.
 
There is no rational argument for replacing Brady with Garrapolo, if there were it would have been made by now. Kellerman's Cliff is all there is, and no matter how many times those with wood for Garrapolo pretend they actually respect Brady you can't buy into that idea without disrespecting Brady.

Keep on pretending, or make an actual fact based argument for Garrapolo, you can't have it both ways. Kellerman's Cliff is a FU to Brady, period.

I can't f.cking wait for Garrapolo to be gone so this bullsh.t comes to an end, Jesus I am sick of this crap.

1) Explain "Kellerman's Cliff." I would imagine it is one example of the concept of declining athletic performance associated with advancing age. Is every such argument "Kellerman's Cliff?"

If so, your statement is that I must believe Brady to be eternally young and invincible to "respect" Brady.

If not, don't even talk to me about "Kellerman." This is a coming conundrum and worth an intelligent conversation.

Maybe not today, maybe not tomorrow, but soon and for the rest of your life.

2) The fact that many aren't specifically arguing for Garrapolo should tip you off that you're not confronting "Garrapolo fans" but "Patriots Fans."
 
Okay let me write something you can agree with Andy.

Bernie Kosar sure had some die-hard fans!

Now if you'll excuse me I need me some Flutie Flakes.
 
Kellerman's Cliff is the place where I throw that loudmouthed POS off of in the not too distant future.
 
Okay let me write something you can agree with Andy.

Bernie Kosar sure had some die-hard fans!

Now if you'll excuse me I need me some Flutie Flakes.
I don't know if you are incapable of understanding or just don't want to.
 
I want to see just how far Belichick and Brady can push this envelope. Given the situation they are in I can see them actually going for eight in the end. They are the odds on favorites this season and they are in excellent shape against the cap for the foreseeable future.

Paul Brown is Belichick's yardstick, if they win one this year he is within shouting distance, and I want them going for that. I want them to distance themselves from the pack as the greatest FU possible to the 30, N.O. Is never included, they are our Wolfpack of two.
Meh...I want to see BB try to start from scratch!
 
1) Explain "Kellerman's Cliff." I would imagine it is one example of the concept of declining athletic performance associated with advancing age. Is every such argument "Kellerman's Cliff?"

If so, your statement is that I must believe Brady to be eternally young and invincible to "respect" Brady.

If not, don't even talk to me about "Kellerman." This is a coming conundrum and worth an intelligent conversation.

Maybe not today, maybe not tomorrow, but soon and for the rest of your life.

2) The fact that many aren't specifically arguing for Garrapolo should tip you off that you're not confronting "Garrapolo fans" but "Patriots Fans."

Kellerman's cliff is the concept all the morons who want to replace Brady with Garrapolo use because they can't find a scrap of evidence to show that Brady is on the decline. And you understand that fully because you are one of them. Get back to me when you can actually make a coherent argument to back your position up. "But but but but he's going to be 37........but but but he's going to be 38.......but but but but he's going to be 39..........." is garbage.
 
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