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Incognito suspended indefinitely by Dolphins

The plot thickens exponentially. Philbin might not survive this.

Dolphins coaches asked Incognito to toughen up Martin, sources say

Sun Sentinel
If this report is true, Philbin and his coaches are fools. Hitching one's wagon to a racist, abusive moron like Richie the Village Idiot results in just what they deserve.
 
What impresses you about him? I haven't seen anything special.

I liked how he had that Dolphins team improving the second half of last season. He's handled his young an inexperienced QB well. They don't have great personnel and the GM Ireland is clueless, but Philbin was getting the most out of what he had. Since he got there, he's turned them into the #1 threat to the Pats in the AFCE - - before him, they were behind both the Jets and the Bills.

That being said, if everything reported is as is, his management style needs some serious tweaking.
 
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Amazing how "tweak" has come to mean a total redo
 
Holy crap! Evidently the camera crews from Hard Knocks never fully left the Dolphins facility and this footage of the Miami coaches meeting when they decided to put Incognito in charge of 'toughening up Martin' was just released:

Blazing Saddles - Mongo - YouTube
 
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life imitating art, so this is the almost exactly playing out like A few good man.
 
"Your honor, these are the telephone records from Miami beach for August 6th. And these are 14 letters that Martin wrote in nine months requesting, in fact begging, for a trade. Upon hearing the news that he was finally getting his trade, Santiago was so excited, that do you know how many people he called? Zero. Nobody. Not one call to his parents saying he was coming home. Not one call to a friend saying can you pick me up at the airport. He was asleep in his bed at midnight, and according to you he was getting on a plane in six hours, yet everything he owned was hanging neatly in his closet and folded neatly in his footlocker. You were leaving for one day and you packed a bag and made three phone calls. Martin was leaving for the rest of his life, and he hadn't called a soul and he hadn't packed a thing. Can you explain that? The fact is there was no trade order. Martin wasn't going anywhere, isn't that right, Coach."
 
I haven't read this whole thread, so excuse me if this is a repeat, but this punk Incognito has been booted off every team he's been on in the NFL and went low after the play was dead at Richard Seymour's knees in 2011

Roundup: Seymour fined $30K for punching Dolphins' Incognito - NFL.com

Incognito is a dirty player and a bully - good riddance to him. By 2011, Seymour's knees and back injuries were well documented. To go after his knees is inexcusable.

I hope Incognito never plays another down of professional football.

Only $30k?

Seymour got a bargain. There's dozens of people who would pay twice that amount to punch Incognito today.

Isn't it interesting that every season there's a team that seems to dominate the offseason, look great on paper but then implode once the season starts?

Last season it was the Eagles - this season it's the Dolphins.
 
Kudos to Joker for somewhat foreshadowing that this would turn into something similar to what happened in A Few Good Men in his own special way.

If that report is accurate heads will be rolling in Miami in short order.
 
Ilike philbin.I heard his interview on radio the other day. He seems like a nice guy. Had a tough situation with his son's death. Unfortunate he is stuck in this but he is responsible in the end.
 
So will we be seeing Richie is MMA anytime soon - man's gotta eat?
 
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Is Johnathan Martin any good? Is he an actual loss from purely a football perspective?
 
Analysis has uncovered one of the reasons/where some of the blame exists for the shocking existence of Incognito along with the sometimes cruelly ultra-hyper macho lockeroom environment. These culprits can be found by getting up from your computer, going to the nearest mirror, pointing your finger.

This is akin to cooking a T bone steak while being appalled at a story detailing what goes on at a slaughterhouse. With all due respect, if you consume NFL products (watching the game, buying apparel, visiting/watching NFL sites, etc etc) you carry some of the "blame" for the "incomprehensible" existence of Incognito and the many players who are almost as incomprehensible (to support this kind of "grotesque" makes you bad too, right?). But ask yourself this, did you not know the NFL product is based in part on being the nastiest, most violent employee you can be? Were you unaware that players are judged on having their body parts broken/mangled and their flesh torn yet remaining on the field? Did it occur to you that when two large men running at high speed hit head first there will be trauma to their heads (kind of odd that Incognito is getting more outrage than this)? Were you unaware of the very interesting conveyor belt system that has top level learning institutes for medicine, justice, philosophy, teaching, leadership replenishing the Incognitos/the NFL product? Even to the smaller degrees, were you unaware of the double standards applied to star football players where very bad behavior is overlooked/swept under the rug prior to entering the NFL? Etc, etc, etc, etc, etc.

My guess is Incognito stepped over the line in terms of what occurs on a more frequent basis within the hyper-macho environment, but I'd also guess he didn't step that much over it. If it was that much then most all of the other players would be reacting like some here on this board are, how the media is reacting. A shocked and/or disbelief by what happened (though I doubt their reaction would also include the righteous indignation). And while I am good with this situation causing the NFL/teams to define clearer lines on what will be a disciplinary behavior, the hyper-macho environment and the cruelness that comes with something like that will not change to a significant degree. So try to be honest with yourself about what the NFL is and what the "deal" is to be a fan of it. The NFL provides a very entertaining product. Yet it provides it by way of some serious ugliness of its underbelly. But if you don't like that, if you expect one without the other, then you should also expect a significantly different on field product. That's just reality.

Lastly, specific to incognito, he for sure doesn't seem a very likable person (though I don't have much to go off of). Yet if he is blackballed completely from the NFL, IMHO it will be an injustice. It will be the case of a sacrificial lamb. It will be a case of knee jerk media driven superficial justice.
 
Should get awfully interesting the next few days. Tons of people on Twitter hinting that there's way more to the story, but nobody has confirmed it enough to break the story.
 
Wait.... so initial reports about this just being a rogue player going after another player might not be the whole story, and there might be more to this than a voicemail from seven months ago?




One would almost start thinking that people should wait for the evidence to actually come out.





Almost.
 


The Prefect of police is shocked it seems...
 
Should get awfully interesting the next few days. Tons of people on Twitter hinting that there's way more to the story, but nobody has confirmed it enough to break the story.

You're going to tease this ... come on now ... spill the beans this is not WEEI.

Is this the coaches asked Incognito to toughen up martin story?
 
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You're going to tease this ... come on now ... spill the beans this is not WEEI.

Is this the coaches asked Incognito to toughen up martin story?

https://twitter.com/AllbrightNFL
If one of the non-mainstream NFL reporters is going to break this story, this is the guy I'd expect to do it. He says he has two first hand sources, but won't break this story until he has a third source confirm it. Been following his work for a while, would be absolutely shocked if he's not being completely honest about this story.

More mainstream, Mike Silver seems to have a bit of an idea of what's going on behind the scenes as well.
 
Apparently there is come complicity amongst the Dolphins coaches who wanted to toughen up Martin..

Do not buy into the BS that the Coaches did not know what was going on... they should have known what was going on... this is going to get ugly.

This morning's Herald has a piece that the Pats do not allow hazing to extremes..

Pats don?t have same problems as Dolphins | Boston Herald

Pats captain/guard Logan Mankins could not envision a similar situation within his own locker room, and many of his teammates echoed that sentiment yesterday.

“We’ve got a great locker room,” quarterback Tom Brady said. “We’ve got a lot of great guys. We always try to do what’s best for the team.”

“I’ve been around class-act guys on the teams I’ve played for, whether it was San Francisco, Washington, here and Oakland,” defensive end Andre Carter said. “There have never been any issues. I’ve always preached respect. The guys I’ve played for always talked about respect, and things have been smooth sailing during the offseason and during the season.”
 
Wait.... so initial reports about this just being a rogue player going after another player might not be the whole story, and there might be more to this than a voicemail from seven months ago?




One would almost start thinking that people should wait for the evidence to actually come out.





Almost.

LOL If anything, this story is just getting BIGGER.

"It's Ok mom, the others were doing it too!"

That others were involved doesn't mean Mongo (or his father) is off the hook. The evidence that is already out and was printed word for word was enough for him to be (so far) suspended indefinitely by the Dolphins. Whether the NFL takes actions against others doesn't lessen what Mongo did.

If they are caught, Hitmen get in trouble whether they were paid or not.

The whole "I'm innocent, I was just following orders" excuse was laughed out over 60 years ago.

The only thing this means is that there may be others who will be in trouble ALONG WITH Mongo. This is getting more fascinating by the minute. As TO would say 'Get yer popcorn ready!'
 
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