Incognito suspended indefinitely by Dolphins

[Ring 6]

No, my argument is that we've already seen truckloads of evidence to make an informed conclusion which goes beyond any reasonable doubt.

Not surprised you didn't get that.

Not at the point I commented we hadn't.
Just because speculation turns out to be true does not make a conclusion based on speculation stronger in retrospect.
Guessing is still guessing whether it turns out right or wrong.

 

[Deus Irae]

I would never do it. It's just the way I am.

I've been there (albeit not as a team member), and seen this sort of stuff in action at the professional level. You'd do it.

The whole "I'd just tell them to piss off" mentality is lovely in theory, but doesn't happen in reality. There's a reason for that.

 

[SB39]

That's a mature culture you're defining.

I don't think any of us are going to argue that the locker room culture in pro sports is one of dignity, maturity and sophistication. I just think that a small "rookies buy dinner" or "freshman carry the helmets for seniors" type of tradition isn't a bad thing. It creates a "we did it too" bond.

The problem is when it gets out of control. College kids being taken to the hospital for alcohol poisoning. Students doing some genuinely unhealthy things. And now we see it impact the pros too.

 

[Ring 6]

Way to fly off the handle with wild assumptions there, Mr. Careful.

What are you talking about. You are trolling my stance of waiting for facts to draw a conclusion. I stated that from the perspective of what you could conclude by guessing without facts.
Its not my fault that your position can be extended to the silly just by utilizing your own standard.

 

[stelfans]

Re: Re: Incognito suspended indefinitely by Dolphins

If any vet told me to pay for their dinner, I'd tell them to go f(make sex) with themselves.

meh i dont see the problem. its like going to college and be the freshman, we've all gone trough that(or will).
But 30000?? lool now thats just plain stupid

 

[DaBruinz]

Well, using your own numbers, $5,000 today is a smaller percentage of their annual income than $1,700 was back when Bruschi was a rookie. :singing:

Not by much. Here is how the numbers work out..

1700/131000 = 1.2977%
5000/405000 = 1.2345%

 

[SB39]

Not at the point I commented we hadn't.
Just because speculation turns out to be true does not make a conclusion based on speculation stronger in retrospect.
Guessing is still guessing whether it turns out right or wrong.

In other words, the fact that all of us were right and you were wrong doesn't demonstrate we all knew what we was talking about and you didn't.

Thanks for giving us all a great laugh! :rocker:

 

[manxman2601]

I've been there (albeit not as a team member), and seen this sort of stuff in action at the professional level. You'd do it.

The whole "I'd just tell them to piss off" mentality is lovely in theory, but doesn't happen in reality. There's a reason for that.

I've been there too as a Police Officer. There's a big difference between the no consequence stuff like haircuts and cold baths on the one hand and hitting someone with a 5,000+ Bill on the other.

Edit: I have less of a problem with a one off dinner but I would absolutely rail against a culture expecting me to pay for trips or recurring dinners. And yes, even if that meant the outcomes described above. I'm not a killjoy but I would like to think I have some pride (even if it did come before a fall).

 

[SB39]

Not by much. Here is how the numbers work out..

1700/131000 = 1.2977%
5000/405000 = 1.2345%

I didn't say it was by much. I'm just responding to you when you said $1,700 for Bruschi was ok while $5,000 today wasn't.

 

[Ring 6]

Way to fly off the handle with wild assumptions there, Mr. Careful.

The immediate suspension after viewing the first pieces of evidence proves that there is SOMETHING very wrong there. How much (since the suspension currently is "indefinite") we don't know.

People have been suspended on suspision before, as well as being suspended for public relations reasons.
In other words, you decided that the suspension can only possibly be for one reason, and I recognize there are other possibilities.
It turns out your wild guess is probably correct, but that does not make your reasoning any more sound.

 

[Mike the Brit]

Bigotry goes both ways, but is anyone really surprised that the NFL isn't oozing philosophers? These guys don't go to class in college, and a lot of them wouldn't have even made it to college if it weren't for their football playing ability.

The reality is that the NFL players are closer to Gronk than Brady intellectually, and even Brady majored in organizational studies (football).

That said, this case does seem to be more than the average NFL morons doing moronic things. Silver lining? Incognito won't be trying to twist knees and cut block defenders for the indefinite future.

Here's the exception:

Arian Foster: The NFL's Unstoppable Vegan Philosopher

 

[Gronkandez]

I grew out of this sort of behaviour when I was fifteen. I'm really shocked that people are defending this immaturity.

We aren't defending it. We're explaining the repurcussions of not going along with it.

Check out this video of Schefter. He seems pissed and rightfully so after Incognito called him out and told him to #bringit.

http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/9926139/richie-incognito-miami-dolphins-used-slurs-messages-jonathan-martin

 

[upstater1]

This Incognito kid is a piece of work.

It's bad enough that he pounded a bunch of students at a party at Nebraska but then look what he does to finally get kicked off after multiple infractions:

Grant Mulkey, a receiver who had been named a starter for Nebraska in their first game vs. Western Illinois, was emotional in the locker room upon being told that he was a starter. Incognito walked over to him in the locker room and started making fun of him being emotional, and Mulkey replied "At least i'm starting Saturday", and Incognito proceeded to beat him up.

He then gets a scholarship to Oregon, and the Coach there Bellotti tosses him off the team after 5 practices.

But before that, earlier in his Nebraska days:

Incognito also has struggled to control his anger in games, drawing a spate of personal-foul penalties during the last two seasons. He was involved in a scuffle during last year's Alamo Bowl against Michigan State. And in a 2002 loss at Penn State, he was ejected for fighting and suspended for the first half of the following week's loss at Iowa State.

"It's been like that since Day One with Richie," said Dan Vili Waldrop, who completed his eligibility at Nebraska last season after three seasons as starting right tackle.

Waldrop said former Nebraska offensive line coach Milt Tenopir "always liked Richie's fire." However, Waldrop said, things changed when Tenopir retired following the 2002 season and Barney Cotton took over as offensive coordinator and offensive line coach.

Cotton, in fact, tried to kick Incognito off the team last season, apparently because of Incognito's poor overall attitude, Waldrop said.

"The linemen were like, ‘OK, we're going to be playing without Richie,' " Waldrop recalled. "The next thing you knew, Richie was back with us. I loved Richie, man. He always had that fire to keep you going. I just wish he'd keep his head sometimes."

Richard Incognito on Wednesday described his son as being "old- school" in the way he approaches the game.

"Nebraska was old-school for a short time, then it changed," Incognito said. "He's my son, and he is what he is. He just wants to kick people's butt."

The elder Incognito compared his son to Ray Nitschke, the gritty former Green Bay Packers' linebacker.

"Richie won't take crap from anyone," Richard Incognito said. "He's a hard-nosed kid, and Nebraska doesn't want hard-nosed kids anymore."

The fans were saying his father threatened to make revelations about Nebraska recruiting on a Nebraska website in 2004:

"Richard Incognito threatened to sabotage recruiting. He was a mainstay on the Nebraska rivals.com board. ...

His father, Richard, said he knew nothing about a suspension involving his son and that he has never spoken with Callahan.

"I'm not big into coaches I've never talked to," the elder Incognito said from his Arizona home."

Here's a short snip of a much longer article in 2004 by an Oregon journalist:

One of the victims, described by a fellow Nebraska student as "a real little guy," got kicked in the head at a party. According to a police report, another victim was punched in the face and had his head slammed against a wall because he opened the bathroom door, interrupting a romantic moment between the 300-pound football player and some lucky girl. And there was also a post-practice fight involving a Cornhuskers teammate. And so when you're told that football star Richard Incognito Jr. might someday play for the University of Oregon, you think, "What? "

Incognito, a first-team all-Big 12 Conference center, left Lincoln. Cornhuskers first-year coach Bill Callahan had enough. He suspended Incognito indefinitely in early September.

Now, Incognito wants to be a Duck.

"Good, he's gone," said the mother of the Nebraska student who reportedly was assaulted by Incognito at the party Feb 7. "He's a time bomb. Let him go off somewhere else."

Jim Haslett: "What is wrong with this MFer?"
Haslett on Incognito: "What is wrong with this mother******?"

 

[Ring 6]

In other words, the fact that all of us were right and you were wrong doesn't demonstrate we all knew what we was talking about and you didn't.

Thanks for giving us all a great laugh! :rocker:

I was not wrong, because I did not take a side.
This is the stupidity of your argument.
Please show me anywhere that I said he was not guilty.

 

[DaBruinz]

I didn't say it was by much. I'm just responding to you when you said $1,700 for Bruschi was ok while $5,000 today wasn't.

When Bruschi did it, it was about $200 per person. At the $30K with 53 players, it's $566 per person. It's not ok. And we're assuming that all 53 players were there..

As Bruschi said, the 30K was excessive.

 

[shmessy]

What are you talking about. You are trolling my stance of waiting for facts to draw a conclusion. I stated that from the perspective of what you could conclude by guessing without facts.
Its not my fault that your position can be extended to the silly just by utilizing your own standard.

You characterized my point that there is definitely SOMETHING wrong that Incognito did with "So your opinion is that if the Dolphins suspended him then he is guilty of every possible thing being suggested, and we should just stop here and banish him for life, and there is no need to see what he allegedly did, and what the proof is."

I get your act, Andy - - with your inane position completely ignoring that Incognito's team suspended him indefinitely within hours of seeing the first evidence, you're in the mood to do the John Wensink-skate-over-to-the bench-to-take-on the-entire-team-in-a-fight act.

It's cute, but you're clowning now.

 

[SB39]

I've been there too as a Police Officer. There's a big difference between the no consequence stuff like haircuts and cold baths on the one hand and hitting someone with a 5,000+ Bill on the other.

But to these guys, a $5,000 bill would be like one of us buying a round of drinks. If you were a rookie police officer and the veterans said "ok rookie, we're going to Joe's bar tonight and the first round is on you" are you really going to tell them to go (make sex) with themselves? Really....??!

 

[shmessy]

So while it is perfectly fine to believe that the Dolphins organization is so incompetant that such egregious things could happen right under their noses, but impossible to think that in reaction to the negative publicity, as well as Incognito releasing texts from Martin that their reaction was knee jerk to suspend him, and the only possible reason could be that he is guilty as sin of anything that anyone can speculate he did?

You must have come to this story late, Andy.

The story broke last Tuesday. The Dolphins defended him for 5 days until last evening. There was bad publicity around him and this story for days. If you think "bad publicity" is what caused a "knee jerk" reaction, then you are clowning at this point.

You are clueless on this story.

 

[Brady'sArmy]

reading those quotes from his enabling father, it's not hard to fathom how he never outgrew immaturity and juvenile cruelty.

 

[kennyb]

If I were Belichick or any coach I'd ask for a tally of all the money the rookies spent and make sure they got paid back for all of it. I'd tell the veterans if they didn't cough up the money I'd pay for it myself and then take it out on them.