* Ye Olde 2013 Mock Draft Thread!! *

[Risen]

Sorry, my bad.

 

[patsfaninpa]

Nice picks, but not enough defense for me. But I'm a defensive guy. And I wouldn't use my top defensive pick on a DB, at least not right now, until the secondary picture becomes clearure. JMHO.

I'd take a safety to replace Pat Chung. He's a free agent. And, I don't want him back. Leaves a hole there. Curious to see how McCourty at FS works out. Let's wait and see how Dennard holds up. Maybe, Talib likes it here. who knows.

I would also consider a dt or de in the first. The dt must be able to get after the qb. Don't want a run stuffer. As you have mentioned a lot, a bookend opposite C. Jones would be a good fit. I'm still suspicious if that's not where Hightower ends up. Ninko's role. The key to Hightower IMO is if we extend Spikes. If Spikes hits free-agency, I'm guessing he's gone. Hightower plays MLB then.

I'm as worried about RG as I am the world ending 12/12/12. Really. Not a priority. It's not preventing us from doing anything. If BB thinks B. Jones is an upgrade at center, that's different. Much more valuable position IMO. Always want a wr, but have given up. Really liked Randall Cobb two years ago.

 

[Big-T]

Mock off-season v1 including mock draft v3!

*some numbers will probably be way out*

Free Agency:

Cap room available: $31,276,000 (120.9 base + 9.376 carry over)

Wes Welker: 3 years 30m, 24m guaranteed (8, 8, 8 base)
Sebastian Vollmer: 4 years 25m, 15m guaranteed (3, 5, 7 base)
Donald Thomas: 2 years, 2.5m, 1.2m guaranteed (vet minimum)
Julian Edelman: 4 years, 5m, 4m guaranteed (1, 1, 1, 1 base)
Aqib Talib: 4 years, 25m, 20m guaranteed (3, 5, 5, 7 base)

Dwight Freeney 2 years, 7m, fully guaranteed (2m, 5m)
Kerry Rhodes 4 years, 30m, 20m guaranteed (3m, 5m, 7m, 5m)

= $20.6m base (less bonuses + draft picks on the remaining 10.86m)

Draft
All picks are using the CBS draft rankings and players are picked from within 5 spots of where the draft pick is (i.e. pick 50 will be in a range from 45-55)
32 & 64 to Cincinnati for 40, 50 & 82
40 to San Fran for 67, 86 and 104

50. Cornellius Carradine - DE - FSU - 6'4" - 265lbs
Previous picks:
v2. Matt Elam - S - Florida - 5'10" - 202LBS
v1. Cornellius Carradine - DE - Florida State - 6'4" - 265lbs

67. Quinton Patton - WR - Louisiana Tech - 6'2" - 195lbs
Previous pick: Robert Lester - S - Alabama - 6'2" - 212lbs

82. Khaled Holmes - C - USC - 6'3" 305lbs
Previous picks:
v2. Ezekiel Ansah - DE - BYU - 6'5" - 270lbs
v1. Khaled Holmes - C - USC - 6'3" 305lbs

86. Gabe Jackson - OG - Mississippi State - 6'4" - 320lbs
Previous pick: Khaled Holmes - C - USC - 6'3" 305lbs

95. Bacarri Rambo - FS - Georgia - 6'0" - 210lbs

104. Terry Hawthorne - CB - Illinois - 6'0" - 190lbs
Previous pick: Josh Boyd - DT - Mississippi State - 6'3" - 300lbs

210. Rod Sweeting - CB - Virginia Tech - 5'11" - 184lbs

239. Manase Foketi - OT - West Texas A&M - 6'5" - 320lbs

 

[mayoclinic]

Sorry, my bad.

Dockett would have been a beast, but would cost the earth. Dorsey might be a nice pickup at a reasonable price. Henry Melton would be a stud, but he'll almost certainly get franchised or extended by the Bears.

 

[ctpatsfan77]

82. Khaled Holmes - C - USC - 6'3" 305lbs
Previous picks:
v2. Ezekiel Ansah - DE - BYU - 6'5" - 270lbs
v1. Khaled Holmes - C - USC - 6'3" 305lbs

I see a lot of mocks projecting USC players to the Pats, but, for some reason, BB doesn't seem to put much faith in them (see: USC Linebackerpalooza, 2009). Don't know why that is, though.

 

[patsfaninpa]

I see a lot of mocks projecting USC players to the Pats, but, for some reason, BB doesn't seem to put much faith in them (see: USC Linebackerpalooza, 2009). Don't know why that is, though.

That lb corps of Matthews Jr, Cushing and Malaleuga had more juice in them than an orchard of orange trees.

 

[patriot.de]

Darnell Dockett is with Arizona and signed long term. I presume you mean Glenn Dorsey, who would do do much better as a pass rushing DT in a 4-3 than in a 3-4.

sorry for OT, but isn't this what the pats need? a pocket pentraiting DT next to vince wilfork?

 

[Luxusdk]

Questiong for me is, how do we get Percy Harvin from Vikings..

He makes alot of sense here, but what should we pay for him and how? Been thinking Spikes could be a part of it. Both will be out of contracts in 2014. They could use a lb in there rebuilding and we could replace Welker with Percy, also Edelman. Not only could we save some, but we might get a compensation pick in 13. We could move Hightower into the mike lb and use Ninkovich as will olb where he best fit.

Also talked about Glenn Dorsey KC. He could be the DT we looking for. Used in a 3-4 as he is now is hopeless, but in the 4-3 we use next to Vince, i think he could make Geno Atkins type of numbers? Would replace Brace and Pryor.

 

[mayoclinic]

sorry for OT, but isn't this what the pats need? a pocket pentraiting DT next to vince wilfork?

Yes. Dorsey should get more interest from 4-3 teams, and if the Pats continue to play a lot of 4 man fronts and want a penetrating interior lineman to complement Wilfork and Love at a reasonable price, Dorsey would be an option. Melton would be my preference, but he's not leaving Chicago and would cost the earth.

 

[ctpatsfan77]

That lb corps of Matthews Jr, Cushing and Malaleuga had more juice in them than an orchard of orange trees.

I should have been clearer: even setting that aside, when have the BB-era Pats used a high-round pick on anyone from USC, at any position?

 

[Patriot Missile]

Questiong for me is, how do we get Percy Harvin from Vikings..

He makes alot of sense here, but what should we pay for him and how? Been thinking Spikes could be a part of it. Both will be out of contracts in 2013. They could use a lb in there rebuilding and we could replace Welker with Percy, also Edelman. Not only could we save some, but we might get a compensation pick in 13. We could move Hightower into the mike lb and use Ninkovich as will olb where he best fit.

Also talked about Glenn Dorsey KC. He could be the DT we looking for. Used in a 3-4 as he is now is hopeless, but in the 4-3 we use next to Vince, i think he could make Geno Atkins type of numbers? Would replace Brace and Pryor.

Why not just wait until free agency for Harvin? Or draft Tavon Austin and save millions? Harvin is the real deal but Austin's game looks pretty similar.

 

[Luxusdk]

Why not just wait until free agency for Harvin? Or draft Tavon Austin and save millions? Harvin is the real deal but Austin's game looks pretty similar.

Cause i was to fast - IT 2014 they'r FA

 

[ATippett56]

I prefer option 1 quite considerably. Gabe Jackson was a nice find. I still would rather take Jonathan Cooper in the first but Jackson is one of the better fall backs.

I personally feel that right offensive guard is not the highest priority for the New England Patriots in the 2013 NFL Draft. After Vince Wilfork and Kyle Love, the depth at defensive tackle is suspect with Brandon Deaderick and the oft-injured Myron Pryor. Kyle Love, Brandon Deaderick, Myron Pryor will be unrestricted free agents in calendar year 2014.

I didn't particularly like Jefferson when I first watched him, the games I saw he was fairly weak against the run, but subsequently I've seen some good reports on him in the run game so he's gone up in my personal rankings.

Steven Gregory is no stud against the run either. As for Tony Jefferson, the scouting report reads as follows:

Tony Jefferson, FS, Oklahoma, NFL Draft - CBSSports.com - NFLDraftScout.com

He has loose hips and a balanced center of gravity to quickly change directions and close in a flash on the play. Jefferson isn't considered an elite prospect for the next level, but has top-50 potential because of his natural awareness, defensive motor and football IQ.

Nigel Malone is a good choice too.

Nigel Malone or the best available cornerback in the seventh round.

Jesse williams is a really nice player, my only problem is that he's a run-stopper only, albeit an excellent one. Trouble is, we have three run stoppers already as DT's. Still if he's BPA then I'd have no problem with the pick.

Bill Belichick this past off-season was interested in Red Bryant; Jesse Williams could be the long term replacement for Vince Wilfork.

Option 1 is a very good effort (B for me but only because you don't have any of my preferred choices). I'll give option 2 a C to D because I'm not overly enamoured with Vaccaro and don't think Floyd is first round worthy.

Sharrif Floyd has vaulted up to 31st overall in the NFLDraftScout rankings.

NFL Draft - 2013 NFL Draft Prospects - CBSSports.com - NFLDraftScout.com

As for the safety position, based on the latest NFLDraftScout rankings the sweet spot for safeties looks like the end of the second round:

Robert Lester - 69th overall
Kenny Vaccaro - 72nd overall
Tony Jefferson -73rd overall

NFL Draft - 2013 NFL Draft Prospects - CBSSports.com - NFLDraftScout.com

NFL Draft - 2013 NFL Draft Prospects - CBSSports.com - NFLDraftScout.com

Hope you don't mind me grading them, don't want to offend someone else's hard work

Way too early to guess which positions the New England Patriots will target in the 2013 NFL Draft until after unrestricted free agents have been signed.

 

[ATippett56]

Questiong for me is, how do we get Percy Harvin from Vikings.

Why do the New England Patriots need Percy Harvin when the New England Patriots signed undrafted free agent Jeff Demps?

 

[manxman2601]

Mock off-season v1 including mock draft v3!

*some numbers will probably be way out*

Free Agency:

Cap room available: $31,276,000 (120.9 base + 9.376 carry over)

Wes Welker: 3 years 30m, 24m guaranteed (8, 8, 8 base)
Sebastian Vollmer: 4 years 25m, 15m guaranteed (3, 5, 7 base)
Donald Thomas: 2 years, 2.5m, 1.2m guaranteed (vet minimum)
Julian Edelman: 4 years, 5m, 4m guaranteed (1, 1, 1, 1 base)
Aqib Talib: 4 years, 25m, 20m guaranteed (3, 5, 5, 7 base)

Dwight Freeney 2 years, 7m, fully guaranteed (2m, 5m)
Kerry Rhodes 4 years, 30m, 20m guaranteed (3m, 5m, 7m, 5m)

= $20.6m base (less bonuses + draft picks on the remaining 10.86m)

Draft
All picks are using the CBS draft rankings and players are picked from within 5 spots of where the draft pick is (i.e. pick 50 will be in a range from 45-55)
32 & 64 to Cincinnati for 40, 50 & 82
40 to San Fran for 67, 86 and 104

50. Cornellius Carradine - DE - FSU - 6'4" - 265lbs
Previous picks:
v2. Matt Elam - S - Florida - 5'10" - 202LBS
v1. Cornellius Carradine - DE - Florida State - 6'4" - 265lbs

67. Quinton Patton - WR - Louisiana Tech - 6'2" - 195lbs
Previous pick: Robert Lester - S - Alabama - 6'2" - 212lbs

82. Khaled Holmes - C - USC - 6'3" 305lbs
Previous picks:
v2. Ezekiel Ansah - DE - BYU - 6'5" - 270lbs
v1. Khaled Holmes - C - USC - 6'3" 305lbs

86. Gabe Jackson - OG - Mississippi State - 6'4" - 320lbs
Previous pick: Khaled Holmes - C - USC - 6'3" 305lbs

95. Bacarri Rambo - FS - Georgia - 6'0" - 210lbs

104. Terry Hawthorne - CB - Illinois - 6'0" - 190lbs
Previous pick: Josh Boyd - DT - Mississippi State - 6'3" - 300lbs

210. Rod Sweeting - CB - Virginia Tech - 5'11" - 184lbs

239. Manase Foketi - OT - West Texas A&M - 6'5" - 320lbs

I'll take any draft with Carradine and Patton at the top. Good job.

 

[ATippett56]

Nice picks, but not enough defense for me. But I'm a defensive guy. And I wouldn't use my top defensive pick on a DB, at least not right now, until the secondary picture becomes clearure. JMHO.

If the New England Patriots move McCourty to safety, it's a damning indictment how bad Patrick Chung and Steven Gregory are as starting safeties.

 

[manxman2601]

If the New England Patriots move McCourty to safety, it's a damning indictment how bad Patrick Chung and Steven Gregory are as starting safeties.

Or that McCourty projects to be a very good safety.

 

[ATippett56]

Or that McCourty projects to be a very good safety.

Based on what evidence to date?

 

[Luxusdk]

Based on what evidence to date?

Based on the obsevations Bill must have made, and the reason he makes millions as coach, where you and me pretend to be better known grumpy old men.

 

[ATippett56]

But I do think BB got a little bit scared two or three years ago by having such a young and inexperienced roster and some evidence can be seen for this in the last two drafts. Firstly, two years ago was a largely offensive draft, last year was a defensive draft. The advantage to this is that you can limit the inexperience to just one side of the ball.

I somewhat disagree with this premise. The New England Patriots defense is better thru the first eight games of this season without veterans Shaun Ellis, Gerard Warren, Albert Haynesworth, Andre Carter, Mark Anderson, Leigh Bodden. If the master plan is to rebuild the defense, then rebuild the defense via the NFL Draft. With regard to the New England Patriots defensive secondary, the issue is talent not necessarily experience.

And when the time comes for a second offensive draft as this is, the players drafted two years ago have two rather than one years experience. Two consecutive drafts is not a pattern but it's certainly a possible insight into a new draft dynamic for BB. Secondly, BB has turned about face on the value he places on draft picks. Next year could be the third consecutive year we go into a draft short of the standard number of picks (of course that could change). Add in the trading up last year rather than the usual approach of stockpiling picks and I think there's some circumstantial evidence that BB doesn't want to get too young at too many levels of the team. And that is why I went for an offensive draft.

With only five picks in the 2013 NFL Draft, the New England Patriots need to prioritize their selections in relation to the team's weaknesses. If the New England Patriots are able to re-sign right tackle Sebastian Vollmer and wide receiver Wes Welker, the need to select a wide receiver in the 2013 NFL Draft is greatly reduced, especially since the New England Patriots traded a future late round draft pick for wide receiver Greg Salas.

WR1: Wes Welker
WR2: Brandon Lloyd
WR3: Unrestricted Free Agency
WR4: Greg Salas
WR5: Matt Slater (wide receiver in name only)