* Ye Olde 2013 Mock Draft Thread!! *

[mayoclinic]

Although the football field is off-limits, the classroom is not. Herb Vincent, LSU associate athletic director and associate vice-chancellor for university relations, confirmed Tyrann Mathieu enrolled at the school, one day before the deadline.

Sounds like he's back from rehab and i honestly can't see why he shouldn't go into this draft.

Think he got everything to win and nothing to loose by going into this years draft, its not like scouts missing films and stuff on him.

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Arrest makes Tyrann Mathieu likely to enter the NFL draft | ProFootballTalk

With another MJ arrest following rehab and an SI article questioning improper donor contributions while he was at LSU Mathieu doesn't have a future in the NCAA. Sounds like he has nowhere to go but the NFL draft. I don't know what his draft stock will be. He's a dominant playmaker without a doubt, but in addition to all of his off field baggage he's undersized for the physical game that he plays and he's not suited to man coverage. I could see Jeff Fisher or Marvin Lewis taking a chance on him, but I doubt BB will touch him with a 10 foot pole.

 

[Merril Hoge's Tie Knot]

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Arrest makes Tyrann Mathieu likely to enter the NFL draft | ProFootballTalk

With another MJ arrest following rehab and an SI article questioning improper donor contributions while he was at LSU Mathieu doesn't have a future in the NCAA. Sounds like he has nowhere to go but the NFL draft. I don't know what his draft stock will be. He's a dominant playmaker without a doubt, but in addition to all of his off field baggage he's undersized for the physical game that he plays and he's not suited to man coverage. I could see Jeff Fisher or Marvin Lewis taking a chance on him, but I doubt BB will touch him with a 10 foot pole.

But he could be this years Dennard. I think he's a 6th or more likely a 7th round guy. Our secondary needs all the talent it can get so I'd be interested in him but not before the 6th round.

 

[mayoclinic]

But he could be this years Dennard. I think he's a 6th or more likely a 7th round guy. Our secondary needs all the talent it can get so I'd be interested in him but not before the 6th round.

Big difference. Dennard had no history of any transgressions before his bar fight with a cop right before the draft, which caused his draft stock to plummet by 4-5 rounds. The Pats checked him out carefully. Mathieu has had repeated incidents, and has been unable to stay clean. He elected not to transfer to a FCS school, and instead entered rehab publicly stating that he intended to clean up and rehab and try to get back to LSU, and now he's flopped. What does that say for his chance of success once he gets an NFL contract?

I've had Mathieu in my mock in this thread (see post #83 above, for example), so I can well understand the attraction of taking a chance on a guy with his skill set. But at this point, I just can't see BB doing it. I may be wrong, but I'm personally going to assume he's off the Pats' board unless I hear something specific that leads me to believe otherwise. JMHO.

 

[Merril Hoge's Tie Knot]

Big difference. Dennard had no history of any transgressions before his bar fight with a cop right before the draft, which caused his draft stock to plummet by 4-5 rounds. The Pats checked him out carefully. Mathieu has had repeated incidents, and has been unable to stay clean. He elected not to transfer to a FCS school, and instead entered rehab publicly stating that he intended to clean up and rehab and try to get back to LSU, and now he's flopped. What does that say for his chance of success once he gets an NFL contract?

I've had Mathieu in my mock in this thread (see post #83 above, for example), so I can well understand the attraction of taking a chance on a guy with his skill set. But at this point, I just can't see BB doing it. I may be wrong, but I'm personally going to assume he's off the Pats' board unless I hear something specific that leads me to believe otherwise. JMHO.

I didn't mean to insinuate that they were similar situations or off the field issues. I actually meant something much simpler - that they could both be 1st/2nd round DBs drafted in the 7th.

 

[Merril Hoge's Tie Knot]

The funny thing is I think I like him more now than before the most recent incident, but that's not to say it was a positive. It's obviously another negative on Mathieu's rampage to decimate his draft stock.

I only like him more now because a month ago we didn't know the weakness of the secondary. We didn't know Chung would regress, we didn't know Arrington would play like he's blind, and we didn't know Gregory and Moore would underwhelm.

 

[manxman2601]

The funny thing is I think I like him more now than before the most recent incident, but that's not to say it was a positive. It's obviously another negative on Mathieu's rampage to decimate his draft stock.

I only like him more now because a month ago we didn't know the weakness of the secondary. We didn't know Chung would regress, we didn't know Arrington would play like he's blind, and we didn't know Gregory and Moore would underwhelm.

Have to say, I think the Rams could be a good bet - signed Finnegan and drafted Janoris Jenkins and Trumaine Johnson. Looks like they value talent over off the field issues. Wouldn't mind betting they'd take him before 6 or 7 if he's available.

 

[Merril Hoge's Tie Knot]

Have to say, I think the Rams could be a good bet - signed Finnegan and drafted Janoris Jenkins and Trumaine Johnson. Looks like they value talent over off the field issues. Wouldn't mind betting they'd take him before 6 or 7 if he's available.

You're on! But I reserve the right to void the bet if he shows up for the combine and doesn't test positive, measures 5'10, and runs a 4.29.

 

[ATippett56]

I have no idea why CBS have such a blind spot on the two Stanford TE's (Ertz, Toilolo), neither of which appear in these rankings.

Click Year - 2014, Position - TE

NFL Draft - 2014 NFL Draft Prospects - CBSSports.com - NFLDraftScout.com

 

[ATippett56]

Interesting that they now have Ansah rated ahead of Margus Hunt.

In my current mock I have the Pats trading back and taking Ansah at 50. Carradine, Ansah and Hunt would all be available or within range there, and I think there's a good chance we could get at least 1 of the 3 in that range next April.

My general blueprint for the Pats:

- Franchise/extend Welker
- Extend Vollmer
- Move McCourty to safety to team with Wilson, with Gregory backing up
- Sign a veteran CB to team with Dowling and Dennard
- Draft a stud LDE to go opposite Chandler Jones, a stud interior lineman, and a speedy WR who can put more pressure on defenses

The rest is depth and development. Though a long term successor to VW would be nice, and if the right guy were available I would consider it.

Reviewing you master plan for 2013:

Cornellius Carradine - Yes, Margus Hunt - No, Ezekiel Ansah - Maybe

Restructure Brady's contract in March once again, even if that involves adding a dummy year to his contract (refer to Matt Light's final contract), so be it.

Welker - definitely
Vollmer - depends on medical
McCourty - stays at corner, blows at safety
Sign stud safety - Goldson, Phillips, Byrd, Quin, or whoever else may be available

2013 NFL Draft with a trade down from the first round:

Starting Left Defensive End (Cornellius Carradine, Ezekiel Ansah)
Starting Right Offensive Guard (Larry Warford, Gabe Jackson)
Starting Safety (Lester, Vaccaro, Jefferson, Williams)
Subpackage Defensive Tackle (with pass rushing capabilities)
Backup Left Tackle (James Hurst, Lane Johnson)
Backup Safety (Rontez Miles, Ray Ray Armstrong)

Gregory takes a hike, if the New England Patriots land a safety in the top half of the third round (see above). No more attention K-Mart shoppers, discount on NFL backup safeties in aisle 12. Resolve the damn safety issue once and for all in 2013, pray for the cornerbacks currently on the roster to improve in 2013. Note: Matt Elam will be gone by the third round.

Connolly moves back to starting center and Wendell goes back to the bench.

 

[manxman2601]

Click Year - 2014, Position - TE

NFL Draft - 2014 NFL Draft Prospects - CBSSports.com - NFLDraftScout.com

Interesting. On the Stanford website, they're classed as Seniors. Even so, when they've got just about every other interesting junior on their 2013 ranking, why not have those two? They also don't have Alec Ogletree.

 

[manxman2601]

You're on! But I reserve the right to void the bet if he shows up for the combine and doesn't test positive, measures 5'10, and runs a 4.29.

That would be one hell of a trick. If he measured 5'10" and ran a 4.29, I'd probably want him in the first round.

 

[mayoclinic]

That would be one hell of a trick. If he measured 5'10" and ran a 4.29, I'd probably want him in the first round.

Maybe, but it's hard to break up passes while suspended. That seems like a likely event in Mathieu's future based on his history. The odds of a repeat offender who's already failed rehab staying clean despite the stresses and temptations of the NFL is pretty darn low.

 

[manxman2601]

Rob Staton at Seahawks draft blog has an interesting mock in that he's trying to predict how the draft will look on the day rather than mocking people as they are currently ranked. So for example he has Sheldon Richardson at No2 overall, Damontre Moore at No3.

Has the Patriots getting Jonathan Hankins. I would be thrilled by that, he's my favourite of the 'unattainable' prospects and think he's a better prospect than Lotulelei for example.

Updated mock draft: 31st October « Seahawks Draft Blog

 

[mayoclinic]

I don't usually post formal web mocks here, but an interesting one today from Walter Football:

2013 NFL Mock Draft - WalterFootball.com

For the Pats:

29. Terrance Williams, WR, Baylor

Note: Dion Jordan goes 32 in this mock.

59. Travis Frederick, G/C, Wisconsin.

Note: Larry Warford goes one pick later at 60, so the Pats would have their choice between Frederick and Wardard, Margus Hunt goes 61.

91. Ziggy Ansah, DE, BYU.

I assume Brother Manx would approve.

 

[Luxusdk]

At 33 Cordarrelle Patterson.. Would also be a nice pick.

 

[stelfans]

Target Short or Sheldon Richardson in the 1st round. If they are not there trade back and do whatever.

 

[patsfaninpa]

Target Short or Sheldon Richardson in the 1st round. If they are not there trade back and do whatever.

Welcome to the board. I agree with your assessment that dt is the biggest need. We have 1.5 sacks from Kyle Love and that's it. Need more pressure. We need a 3-tech that can get upfield. Of course, we could sign a free agent. But, hard to project them. I'll get a look at Short on Saturday. PSU plays at Purdue 3:30 ESPNU. PSU has a kid Jordan Hill who dropped some weight to get to 295. They had him as a 5 tech last year and moved him this year. He's worth a look in round 4-5. Also, an OLB Gerald Hodges who can play in space.

If we don't go dt, I like what I've seen from Matt Elam - S - Florida. Appears to be a much better athlete than Chung. He's a junior but will prob come out. Same with Shariff Floyd their dt. Not sure I'd go 1st on him. Those young defensive linemen scare me. Bust rate for them is really high.

 

[mayoclinic]

Welcome to the board. I agree with your assessment that dt is the biggest need. We have 1.5 sacks from Kyle Love and that's it. Need more pressure. We need a 3-tech that can get upfield. Of course, we could sign a free agent. But, hard to project them. I'll get a look at Short on Saturday. PSU plays at Purdue 3:30 ESPNU. PSU has a kid Jordan Hill who dropped some weight to get to 295. They had him as a 5 tech last year and moved him this year. He's worth a look in round 4-5. [\QUOTE]

I think that a LDE and a DT are both needs. Lots of ways to fill them:

- Sheldon Richardson - could play 3-4 DE or 4-3 LDE or pass rushing DT
- Kawann Short - probably not a 4-3 LDE, but could play some 3-4 DE as well as 4-3 DT, and is a very accomplished inside pass rusher
- Jesse Williams - less of a pass rusher, but could play 3-4 DE or 4-3 DE in a Red Bryant mold as well as 3-4 DT or NT; very able to collapse the pocket
- Louis Nix - big man with surprising agility, could play 3-4 DE or 4-3 DT or NT or 3-4 NT. Won't be a true pass rusher, but has some agility and quickness
- Sharif Floyd - very quick DT who could also play outside in a 3-4, would be a nice inside pass rusher
- Margus Hunt - could play 3-4 DE or 4-3 LDE and could move inside to DT on 3rd downs. Has played some NT.

Ziggy Ansah has also played inside at DT and NT some, and might also eventually be able to play a similar kind of role.

And that obviously doesn't include Star Lotulelei and Johnathan Hankins, since they are assumed to be out of reach.

 

[stelfans]

Welcome to the board. I agree with your assessment that dt is the biggest need. We have 1.5 sacks from Kyle Love and that's it. Need more pressure. We need a 3-tech that can get upfield. Of course, we could sign a free agent. But, hard to project them. I'll get a look at Short on Saturday. PSU plays at Purdue 3:30 ESPNU. PSU has a kid Jordan Hill who dropped some weight to get to 295. They had him as a 5 tech last year and moved him this year. He's worth a look in round 4-5. Also, an OLB Gerald Hodges who can play in space.

If we don't go dt, I like what I've seen from Matt Elam - S - Florida. Appears to be a much better athlete than Chung. He's a junior but will prob come out. Same with Shariff Floyd their dt. Not sure I'd go 1st on him. Those young defensive linemen scare me. Bust rate for them is really high.

Thanks, i've been lurking for a long time and finally decided to join.

I just love the athleticism of Richardson, amazing for a guy that big. Short is of the same mold. A guy like that would do wonders to this pass defense.

I like Elam a lot but with the way they've been drafting DB's we will get lucky if he becomes anything like Chung. Unless we are talking about Miliner i dont want any DB in the first 2 rounds. Hell, we got Dennard in the 7th and he's doing just fine. Now i know he had some issues that kept him from going higher but guys will always slip on draft day.

Speaking of Florida, keep an eye on Josh Evans the other safety. He caught my attention against Georgia and i'll key on him this saturday.

 

[Luxusdk]

Welcome to the board. I agree with your assessment that dt is the biggest need. We have 1.5 sacks from Kyle Love and that's it. Need more pressure. We need a 3-tech that can get upfield. Of course, we could sign a free agent. But, hard to project them. I'll get a look at Short on Saturday. PSU plays at Purdue 3:30 ESPNU. PSU has a kid Jordan Hill who dropped some weight to get to 295. They had him as a 5 tech last year and moved him this year. He's worth a look in round 4-5. [\QUOTE]

I think that a LDE and a DT are both needs. Lots of ways to fill them:

- Sheldon Richardson - could play 3-4 DE or 4-3 LDE or pass rushing DT
- Kawann Short - probably not a 4-3 LDE, but could play some 3-4 DE as well as 4-3 DT, and is a very accomplished inside pass rusher
- Jesse Williams - less of a pass rusher, but could play 3-4 DE or 4-3 DE in a Red Bryant mold as well as 3-4 DT or NT; very able to collapse the pocket
- Louis Nix - big man with surprising agility, could play 3-4 DE or 4-3 DT or NT or 3-4 NT. Won't be a true pass rusher, but has some agility and quickness
- Sharif Floyd - very quick DT who could also play outside in a 3-4, would be a nice inside pass rusher
- Margus Hunt - could play 3-4 DE or 4-3 LDE and could move inside to DT on 3rd downs. Has played some NT.

Ziggy Ansah has also played inside at DT and NT some, and might also eventually be able to play a similar kind of role.

And that obviously doesn't include Star Lotulelei and Johnathan Hankins, since they are assumed to be out of reach.

Do we keep forgetting Jake Bequette? We talk about missing LDE/DT - But where do you guy's see him in the piqture. I see him as a LDE model, good against the run, huge moter, but not a pure pass rusher. Infact i think he would shine as 3-4 DE in a Justin Smite role, atleast they have same build.