The Official NFL Draft Day 2 thread

[Joker]

This is the last straw for me!!!...this guy wasn't even at the combine!! How arrogant can BB get??? He goes out to where this bust lives and works him out with the staff and decides to take him!!! Unbelievably arrogant!!!! I can't take it anymore!! Ruined the whole draft for me...I just can't stand it anymore...5 measley appearances in the Super Bowl the last decade...9 worthless division titles...wasting all this time going to the playoffs every season...I'm getting real sick of BB's act!!! Ruined the draft!!!

Jeezus, why can't he just ONCE do what Mel Kiper and the rest of the people who REALLY know football suggest and take the player who was rated by the experts on DraftGump.com to go in the second round??? Why does he do this???? Going out and interviewing this kid like HE, Bill Belichick knows anything about football talent...Sick of it...sick of it all...ruined the draft....other teams move up in the draft and take studs like Vernon Gholston while we always move down and pick up leftovers like Mayo...and now THIS!!!...ruined the draft...ruined the season....ruined my life...

 

[rojo8401]

Does anyone know why we picked a gunner at 48 when there were some pretty damned good players to be had? Especially with touchbacks being the expected result of every kickoff nowadays.

Seriously, this question might have been asked already but I'm curious (I skipped past what looked like the usual Andy versus Deus 10 page exercise-in-futility fest).

Bequette is reportedly a huge douchebag. Just some food for thought.

Hard to complain though with the Pats' first day being the second best of any team in my opinion.

 

[DaBruinz]

Joe Adams is still available at WR...Doubt he will be available for us in the 5th though.

I wouldn't be surprised to see Adams there in the 5th. Not that the Pats are going to draft a WR, but I wouldn't be surprised. There are still a ton of good WRs on the board.

Givens, Jones, Criner, Childs, and Broyles. Not to mention Adams.

 

[Ring 6]

You really should learn the team better, Andy.

Why do you insist on throwing an insult at anyone who tries to have a discussion with you. It makes you look like a jerk,

Deaderick played LDE last year out of team need. But he's also 300+ lbs and better served as a DT in the 4-3. Not LDE. That's where he plays in the 3-4, btw. Those positions are different.. Significantly.

No, this is wrong. In BELICHICKS 43, the LDE is the same as a 34 DE. Last year 2 people played LDE, Ellis and Deaderick.

Where do you get that Fanene is a LDE for the Pats in the 3-4?

I'm talking about the 43, arent you?

He's more of a pass rusher than a run stopper. In fact, for the Bengals, he was a 3rd down interior pass rush specialist. So, my pointing out that he'll be used there shouldn't come as a surprise to anyone. You being contrarian about it just makes you look foolish.

Where he plays in sub packages has nothing to do with where he plays in the base. I've made about 50 posts discussing he will be our best inside sub package rusher.
We are discussing the 43 not sub packages.
In the 43, Fanene would be a LDE, in the 34 he could play DE on either side.

Why shouldn't Love be a starter? Because you say so? That and $5 will get me a Venti at Starbucks..

Because he is not starter quality. That is my opinion. Are you saying yours is worth more?

BTW, I never mentioned Brace.

I know you left him out, and right now he is #3 in the 43 DT rotation. Thin.

As for Pryor, I mentioned him because of the position he played in the one year he was fully healthy. I would think that someone as smart as you could have figured that out..

I know why you listed him, I don't know why you used him to conclude we aren;t thin there. Surely someone as smart as you can understand if you listed him because he once played there, and he is one of only 3 43 DTs you listed, you just proved my point that we are thin.

 

[Ring 6]

Does anyone know why we picked a gunner at 48 when there were some pretty damned good players to be had? Especially with touchbacks being the expected result of every kickoff nowadays.

Seriously, this question might have been asked already but I'm curious (I skipped past what looked like the usual Andy versus Deus 10 page exercise-in-futility fest).

Bequette is reportedly a huge douchebag. Just some food for thought.

Hard to complain though with the Pats' first day being the second best of any team in my opinion.

I would bet that he wasn't picked solely as a gunner.
Gunners are on punt coverage, not KOs, unless you meant other roles a special teams guy could also play.

 

[The Boston Patriot]

I am totally confused over this Travin Wilson draft pick.
Why in the world did we feel we needed to draft him #45.
If they wanted him, he would have probably been available in the
5th round.

There have been 5 safteys drafted so far.

Mark Baron drafted #7 had a ESPN Scouts rating of 95
Harrison Smith drafted #29 had a ESPN Scouts rating of 89
Travon Wilson drafted #45 had a ESPN scouts rating of 32
Brandon Taylor drafted #73 had a ESPN Scouts rating of 78
Brandon Harden drafted #79 had a ESPN Scouts rating of 62

This **** & Fantasy Football is ruining the sport for real football fans.

 

[rojo8401]

I would bet that he wasn't picked solely as a gunner.
Gunners are on punt coverage, not KOs, unless you meant other roles a special teams guy could also play.

Good point Andy. So you're ok with the pick?

I admit I am a bit puzzled by it.

 

[DaBruinz]

Does anyone know why we picked a gunner at 48 when there were some pretty damned good players to be had? Especially with touchbacks being the expected result of every kickoff nowadays.

Well, not sure where you heard that Wilson is just "a gunner", because he's not. At Illinois, he started the last three years at FS, SS, and CB (showing versatility) and was also a team captain the last 2.

Seriously, this question might have been asked already but I'm curious (I skipped past what looked like the usual Andy versus Deus 10 page exercise-in-futility fest).

Bequette is reportedly a huge douchebag. Just some food for thought.

Hard to complain though with the Pats' first day being the second best of any team in my opinion.

Not sure where you heard that Bequette is a douchebag, but I'm sure that, if anyone can keep him in line it will be Big Vince and Belichick.

 

[ATippett56]

There's some serious WR's out there:

Joe Adams
Marvin Jones
Chris Givens
Greg Childs
Jarius Wright
Nick Toon
Juron Criner
Tommy Streeter

Deep wide receiver class.

 

[Ring 6]

Good point Andy. So you're ok with the pick?

I admit I am a bit puzzled by it.

I am glad we picked a safety.
I don't have enough information to know if its a good pick.
I know I'm not scared because there are reports that rate him low.
I also know that at 48, the success rate is probably somewhere close to 50/50 so I don't know how the dilemma of whether BB saw something the consensus didn't or they are right and he missed it is something to get so freaked out about.
Before the pick was made it was a 50/50 shot. I'm not feeling it is any better or worse than that now.
If it fails, it fails, that happens to every team and they move on, it has happened to us, and we move on.
I am quite comfortable to dismiss the knee jerk reaction, just as I dismissed the consensus opinion last year that BB spend a 3rd round pick on a guy who could only play in short yardage, on the basis of being foolish, and what to see what happens where it matters, on the field.
The dude is going to go to camp and compete as an NFL safety, and what a scout wrote has nothing to do with how that goes.(nor does BBs projection) It will be decided on the field.

 

[Gator Mike]

FWIW, Wilson seemed to be something of a hot commodity leading up to the draft.

Took visits to San Diego, Houston, Arizona, Tampa, Indianapolis, and Tom Dimitroff worked him out personally in Atlanta.

 

[rojo8401]

Well, not sure where you heard that Wilson is just "a gunner", because he's not. At Illinois, he started the last three years at FS, SS, and CB (showing versatility) and was also a team captain the last 2.

Hope you're right but I am not confident he beats out any starters so he's a gunner on the Pats in my mind as of right now. I hope I'm proven wrong though. I really, really do.

Not sure where you heard that Bequette is a douchebag, but I'm sure that, if anyone can keep him in line it will be Big Vince and Belichick.

Several scouting reports mentioned his bad attitude and inflated ego according to ESPN's commentary. Grain of salt but scouting reports are scouting reports.

 

[reflexblue]

I am totally confused over this Travin Wilson draft pick.
Why in the world did we feel we needed to draft him #45.
If they wanted him, he would have probably been available in the
5th round.

There have been 5 safteys drafted so far.

Mark Baron drafted #7 had a ESPN Scouts rating of 95
Harrison Smith drafted #29 had a ESPN Scouts rating of 89
Travon Wilson drafted #45 had a ESPN scouts rating of 32
Brandon Taylor drafted #73 had a ESPN Scouts rating of 78
Brandon Harden drafted #79 had a ESPN Scouts rating of 62

I'm just starting to read these draft posts, moves like this are the reason. Every year they take someone that they could have had much later in all likely hood for a much lower draft pick. IMO its almost like throwing a second round pick away. There are two areas the pats are not good at picking DB and WR. Just think about all the DB busts that were taken in this manner over the last five years, same goes for WR's

 

[jsull87]

Why would it? Doesn't it make more sense to just look at who's posting and weigh their opinion accordingly?

If it's NEM talking about Patriots O.C.s, you give it no weight.
If it's AWTE or Unoriginal breaking down film of a play, you pay close attention.

This is a message board, and this is a thread devoted to news and opinions about this year's draft. Why should people have to hold off for a year?

Just so i can get this straight... in the above post your saying that, althought it is a valid point that there are examples of people initially not likeing/saying what? to a draft pick and it turning out great for the pats.

But because andy is saying it it's wrong and it makes more sense to disregard those facts because you generally disagree?

... a pretty petty possition from someone who as a poster thinks they are logical.

 

[manxman2601]

FWIW, Wilson seemed to be something of a hot commodity leading up to the draft.

Took visits to San Diego, Houston, Arizona, Tampa, Indianapolis, and Tom Dimitroff worked him out personally in Atlanta.

And in a very poor safety class, if one of those teams had liked him they might have reached for him too. How do we know San Diego didn't have him ranked ahead of Brandon Taylor? Because some amateur internet scout, not good enough to work for an NFL team say's so?

I'm going to err on the side that multiple super bowl winning BB knows more about this sh*t than the whiners in these forums.

Rant over. And yes I was disappointed by the pick because I knew nothing about him. That's my failing, not BB's.

 

[cmasspatsfan]

I'm just starting to read these draft posts, moves like this are the reason. Every year they take someone that they could have had much later in all likely hood for a much lower draft pick. IMO its almost like throwing a second round pick away. There are two areas the pats are not good at picking DB and WR. Just think about all the DB busts that were taken in this manner over the last five years, same goes for WR's

Theres no way you and I not being in the draft rooms and being privy to information would know whether or nor he could be had with a later pick. If the Pats had him as the top rated safety on the board whos to say another team didnt

 

[rojo8401]

I'm not freaked out about the Wilson pick, just kind of chapped that some players I really liked were passed over I guess.

It's def still an A+ draft in my book. Hightower makes me smile a lot inside.

 

[Deus Irae]

Just so i can get this straight... in the above post your saying that, althought it is a valid point that there are examples of people initially not likeing/saying what? to a draft pick and it turning out great for the pats.

But because andy is saying it it's wrong and it makes more sense to disregard those facts because you generally disagree?

... a pretty petty possition from someone who as a poster thinks they are logical.

I'd respond in more detail to this, but I have no idea what the hell it's supposed to mean.

 

[nabwong]

Wilson's kind of a head scratcher but who cares. I'm excited to see what he's made of at training camp.

 

[patsfan13]

Logan Mankins was a reach and could have been had in round 3.........

Should we hire anyone at ESPN to replace BB & E Adams?