Pats release vet backup OL Mark LeVoir

[TheSolderKing]

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A 1st round OT is fine for a backup.

ppl downplay him b/c he is a Rookie. "He is a rookie so he doesn't count for quality depth" Watch and Learn... he will be our starting LT in week 9 or 10 I bet it will be sooner rather than later

 

[Deus Irae]

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You were spot on with all the comments you made except one above 2 points. First you state that Seymour's has cost the Pats 2 seasons. That's just wrong. Seymour wasn't coming back to the Pats after the 2009. It was common knowledge that for whatever reason, Richard wanted a change of scenery. If you don't believe that, then its fair to speculate that the market price for Richard Seymour wasn't within the budget the Pats were dealing with, having to sign Brady and Wilfolk as well.

Secondly you imply that there is some flaw in BB management by NOT have an adequate replacement. That just plain unfair Richard Seymour was the best DLman in the league for most of his time in NE. He's still a top DLman in the league, as well as the highest paid one. He was also BB's ONLY pick in single digits....and he didn't miss. The point is that you can't simply replace him "adequately" Just about anyone you brought in would be a downgrade.

There is no question they missed him in 2009, but that was a flawed team to begin with. It was a good team, but the loss of Seymour wasn't the reason they didn't go farther than they did.

In the end I think it would be fair to postulate that the Pats would have been a better team with Seymour playing in 2009. But its overkill to think that it somehow would have been possible to sign him beyond that period.

Its also fair to think that with the resources that WEREN'T expended for Seymour were well used, including Nat Solder

This has been gone over time and time again. It was an obvious screw up, on several levels. I'm not going to debate it again. If you can't see the problems with the move by now, it's not worth the effort to go over it again.

 

[shmessy]

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This has been gone over time and time again. It was an obvious screw up, on several levels. I'm not going to debate it again.

Case closed.

Forget Patfanken's detailed reasoning.

Deus Irae has issued his ruling. And, although Deus was the one to first broach the subject in this thread (post #41), he "isn't going to debate it again".

Classic.

 

[Off The Grid]

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I, too, am surprised that he cut him so early. Not only does it leave us dangerously thin at O Tackle, I think we would've had a much better chance of picking up a Late Rounder if we'ad kept him through the entire allotment of Prep Games, by which time other teams would've had ample opportunity to have guys injured and have expected Depth disappoint.

Strange decision, Brother Bill.

Here's hoping it doesn't bite us in the @$$.

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For the record, I never thought LeVoir had a PRAYER of beating out my boy "Smashing" Steve Maneri.

LeVoir's fate ~ barring injuries ~ was SEALED, the day Light was signed.

Yes "barring injuries"

If LeVoir is our #5 OT, the question is why we didn't wait until the last minute, just in case there was an injury.

A simple "Good point. I agree." would've sufficed.

 

[Deus Irae]

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Case closed.

Forget Patfanken's detailed reasoning.

Deus Irae has issued his ruling. And, although Deus was the one to first broach the subject in this thread (post #41), he "isn't going to debate it again".

Classic.

Classic? I used it as an example. It's an obvious example of not replacing a player.

As for the rest, I think the approximately 540,000,000 times it's been discussed on this site is enough. You might have noticed that I didn't bring it up as a trade issue or any of that stuff had you not been too busy trying to bust my balls to actually read what my post was about.

 

[The Scrizz]

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I am a little surprised by the timing, but if Bill thinks he sucks who cares if the Jets get him? I also see it as a good sign for Maneri who was mauling DB's 15 yards down field in the run game.

And am I still hearing the Richard Seymour arguments? Really? Would he have kept Welker from getting hurt and Brady from getting killed by the Ravens? If not then it is meaningless.

The only player in recent memory who I think costs us a SB was Branch and there was no getting around that. Another reason he should shut up about the Jets in my opinion, he wasn't exactly a wall-flower when he won his.

 

[Armchair Quarterback]

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Yes "barring injuries"

If LeVoir is our #5 OT, the question is why we didn't wait until the last minute, just in case there was an injury.

I suspect that Belichick is looking for the 2011 version of Ojinnaka, a veteran backup at OG and OT, or better yet, at OG and C.

Are folks here really OK with Solder being the backup RT for Game One? As of now, the backups on Game Day are Solder and Ornberger/Wendell.

The obvious answer to your question is he is no longer the #5 OT, Corey Woods or possibly even Zach Roth are. Levoir is a 6 year vet who must have dropped on the depth chart and when a six year vet gets beaten out by a UDFA he isn't worth the roster spot.

So you'd be OK with Levoir as the third tackle but have doubts about Solder, their #1 pick being the third tackle. Solder looked very promising last Thursday, Levoir never impressed in his time here. Hell yes, I'm OK with Solder. I also believe Austin has a good chance to beat out Ohrnberger and Wendell.

 

[spacecrime]

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Are folks here really OK with Solder being the backup RT for Game One?

I'm okay with him starting. I expect him to compete with Light for rest of preseason, play better than Light and win the job.

 

[Ring 6]

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Case closed.

Forget Patfanken's detailed reasoning.

Deus Irae has issued his ruling. And, although Deus was the one to first broach the subject in this thread (post #41), he "isn't going to debate it again".

Classic.

No!!! Its been gone over again and again. The problem is he left out the part that no one agrees with him.

 

[mgteich]

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Yes, I do have doubts about Solder starting at RT if Vollmer is injured. And no, I did not have doubts about LeVoir who has been our swing tackle in the past.

As I have indicated, I would not be at all surprised to see Belichick pick up a veteran backup.

I understand your preference to have rookie backups on Game Day. I just disagree.

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So you'd be OK with Levoir as the third tackle but have doubts about Solder, their #1 pick being the third tackle. Solder looked very promising last Thursday, Levoir never impressed in his time here. Hell yes, I'm OK with Solder. I also believe Austin has a good chance to beat out Ohrnberger and Wendell.

 

[Off The Grid]

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Are folks here really OK with Solder being the backup RT for Game One?

WHAT???

Let's see: Am I comfortable with the #17 Pick in the draft, who has 10X All Pro Potential ~ AND "Smashing" Steve Maneri, who you unfathomably overlooked ~ replacing LeVoir The Mediocre, when both Maneri and Nate "Universal" Solder have already shown TREMENDOUS Power, Tenacity, Strength, Athleticism, and NASTY under Dante The Wise???

Let me think about that one...

 

[Off The Grid]

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Case closed.

Forget Patfanken's detailed reasoning.

Deus Irae has issued his ruling. And, although Deus was the one to first broach the subject in this thread (post #41), he "isn't going to debate it again".

Classic.

No!!! Its been gone over again and again.

The problem is he left out the part that no one agrees with him.

Actually, I agree with him, much as it pains me to do so.

I imagine that others do, as well, but have more compunction, than I, about giving Deuce Awry support for anything at all, in light of the astonishingly persistent arrogance of his posts, coupled with an apparently complete contempt for mankind as an whole.

But that's just my take.

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[mgteich]

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So, Solder who was drafted to start at LT when he is ready should start at RT? WHy not RG? or Center? After all, Solder is a future pro-bowler?

WHAT???

Let's see: Am I comfortable with the #17 Pick in the draft, who has 10X All Pro Potential ~ AND "Smashing" Steve Maneri, who you unfathomably overlooked ~ replacing LeVoir The Mediocre, when both Maneri and Nate "Universal" Solder have already shown TREMENDOUS Power, Tenacity, Strength, Athleticism, and NASTY under Dante The Wise???

Let me think about that one...

 

[Armchair Quarterback]

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Yes, I do have doubts about Solder starting at RT if Vollmer is injured. And no, I did not have doubts about LeVoir who has been our swing tackle in the past.

As I have indicated, I would not be at all surprised to see Belichick pick up a veteran backup.

I understand your preference to have rookie backups on Game Day. I just disagree.

It' not a preference to have rookies backups, it's a preference to have the best football players make the team.

 

[Off The Grid]

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I understand your preference to have rookie backups on Game Day.

I just disagree.

Interesting point.

And what, sir, would you have us do with Rookies like:

Nate "Universal" Solder
"Ravaging" Ras I Dowling
Shane "Mean Machine" Vereen
Stevan "Ready When You Are" Ridley

...and the others??

You've eliminated "Backup".

That leaves "Starter"...or "Practice Squad."

Think they'll pass Waivers, do you?

 

[Triumph]

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BAM!......a blind-side hit by Fencer!:violent:

Speaking of blindside hits.

Anybody else recall the hit Levoir put on a Jet DB a couple of years ago? It might have been Strickland.

 

[Off The Grid]

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So, Solder who was drafted to start at LT when he is ready should start at RT?

WHy not RG? or Center? After all, Solder is a future pro-bowler?

HELLO???

Did I ~ or anyone ~ say anything about STARTING??

This was in direct response to your unfathomable comment about him being a "backup."

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[patchick]

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A 1st round OT is fine for a backup.

A first round LT makes a dandy LT backup (or even starter). But mgteich said RIGHT tackle, and Solder is a natural LT with zero lifetime experience at RT. So I'm with him in saying that an OT lineup of Light, Solder, Vollmer would leave the team with no workable backup RT.

But conveniently, Maneri was on my 53 even before this cut.

 

[patchick]

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We just gave away a competent swing tackle to the Jets.

Question for CBA experts: does LeVoir have to clear waivers? He has 4 seasons behind them, but the first season was partial and he never made the gameday 45.

 

[DaBruinz]

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BB is cutting all of the guys I hate for once. TBC now Levoir. If things continue my way you can say goodbye to guyton, sanders, warren, and if the stars are aligned BJGE and Koppen. I almost forgot wilhite and maybe butler. If all these guys are cut I am going to go play the lotto.

If all those guys are cut, then the Pats have tossed the season... BTW, Which Warren you referring to? Ty Warren was already cut.

BTW, count me amongst the people that think you're ignorant for wanting BJGE, Sanders, and Koppen cut. Especially when the Pats don't have anyone nearly as good to take over at center.