Pats release vet backup OL Mark LeVoir

[Deus Irae]

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Its not like I actually expect them to be cut but they are who I truly want gone. Its obvious why i would want Wilhite/Butler gone but i will give you reasons for the others.

It's not really obvious because you're ignoring a simple rule here. You don't want to get rid of players unless you have an adequate replacement. Belichick ignored that rule when he shipped out Seymour, and it's cost the team for two seasons already. We're just hoping that problem's finally fixed by his kitchen sink approach, and 3-4/4-3 'adjustments' this year.

Guyton-hated him since day one because of his softness. Seems incapable of hurting anyone or forcing a fumble with a hard hit. When he's done tackling you, you actually feel better like he got that kink out of your back. He never attacks the running back, they simply run into him and gain an extra yard or two. He is always blocked and I hate his zone coverage(another reason why we sucked on 3rd down).

Guyton's been the team's best pass defending LB. I'm not thrilled with his play, but he's served a purpose. If they get someone who can beat him out for the pass defending LB sub, he'll be gone.

Sanders- I hated his coverage basically since 05. Hes gotten better every year but i think he has peaked and rather give someone else a chance(i know our depth is shaky but it has to happen at some point)

The Sanders haters have never made sense. He's a solid player. He may not be the picture perfect starter, but he's definitely a good option to have, especially as the #3 safety. I could understand the argument that you'd like his cap number to be smaller, but to want him out is the sort of unreasonable approach that DW Toys has been taking.

Don't be that guy.

Koppen- This is an interesting cut for me because i like him alot actually. But I have been watching wendell for awhile and I think he could replace him and slightly improve our run game. Most people are expecting him to be replaced next year by Brewster, im just doing it a year early.

Wendell sucks, or at least he has to date. Koppen's far and away the team's best center. I, like a lot of others, would have been fine with the team getting Pouncey this year. I like a lot of others, will be fine with the team getting a top center in next year's draft. But, again, in football, it's a bad move to get rid of players without adequate replacement.

BJGE- His mediocrity annoys me to no end. I feel that we have not won any games because of him besides the Vikings game. And hes not much of a factor in the pass game. Lastly, his no fumbling thing is extremely overblown and i'll tell you why. Most backs fumble when they are hit in the backfield or when they are trying to make a move when they get some daylight. We have a good line so backfield tackles aren't really an issue and he rarely makes it to the second level. Before Lomo completely sucked he went a long time without a fumble also and I also think its because he rarely got to the second level. He was busy running into olinemens backs. When BJGE runs, no matter how big the hole I expect a five yard gain at most. Ridley is not that fast but he ran some effective tosses. I cringe at the the thought of BJGE beating anyone to the corner.

I'm not a BJGE guy, because I think his limitations impact what you can do with the running game, and I think that's a part of what exposes the passing game against the Ryan defenses. However, he's clearly capable of being a rotational back and helping a team that way, without it costing a lot of money. Given that, it's folly to want him gone. If the two rookies both work out this year, and Woodhead remains true to last year's form, it's possible that BJGE won't be back next season, and I'd be fine with the team looking to move on at that point. For this year, though, having a guy that the team knows and feels it can count on is a good way to go because, if you ditch him and the puppies don't work out, the team is screwed.

Also, on a purely selfish note, I want to see if his offseason work to improve his quickness has paid any dividends.

 

[Urgent]

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No problem.
We're considering the potential fourth tackle after Light, Seabass, Solder.

Based just on what I saw in one preseason second half, I thought Maneri really outplayed Levoir (My one pick for a player who 'made the team after one game' here: http://www.patsfans.com/new-england-patriots/messageboard/10/789083-official-if-were-end-preseason-who-stays-who-goes-thread-page9.html#post2628664)

Maneri has some work to do on bull-rush pass blocking, but a high-upside guy. He's got the feet for speed rushes, and can really get downfield and nail multiple tacklers.

 

[ropese]

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We just gave away a competent swing tackle to the Jets.

 

[Fencer]

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Agreed. Otherwise doesn't make sense as alittle thin already on O-line and still 3 preseason games to play. Hopefully we can go through unscathed.

Exactly. We might yet miss him.

 

[Fencer]

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Overstatement on Sanders. If viewed dispassionately, he's an adequate back up. He doesn't have the speed and quickness necessary to be a plus coverage S. He doesn't have the size or strength to be a plus run stopper. OTOH, he is very smart, a good leader and communicator. and he will be always know where he is supposed to be. Getting there is the problem

Reminds you of yourself, perhaps?

 

[italia44]

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Reminds you of yourself, perhaps?

BAM!......a blind-side hit by Fencer!:violent:

 

[shmessy]

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Tonight's Screaming Headline from Dan Pompeii:

"Belichick Mistakes Offensive Lineman for Ochocinco or Haynesworth"

 

[Off The Grid]

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Did Maneri play a lot in the Jags game?

Yep!! Kicked @$$, too. One of my 2010 Draft Super Binkies that the Patriots hauled in ~ this one after the fact, obviously ~ I can tell you that "Smashing" Steve Maneri is only going to get better and better as a mauling, mashing, thrashing, smashing RoadGrader!! He showed Anchoring Strength, Power, Athleticism, Intelligence, and NASTY!! :rocker:

I was speculating with Brother Mayo that I felt Coach Bill The Mad's rationale in playing the 6.7 LeVoir at GUARD, for the Love of God, was probably an attempt to pimp the lad to any prospective trading partners. And now that he's released him, that would seem to confirm my suspicions.

But I, too, am surprised that he cut him so early. Not only does it leave us dangerously thin at O Tackle, I think we would've had a much better chance of picking up a Late Rounder if we'ad kept him through the entire allotment of Prep Games, by which time other teams would've had ample opportunity to have guys injured and have expected Depth disappoint.

Strange decision, Brother Bill.

Here's hoping it doesn't bite us in the @$$.

 

[Off The Grid]

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For the record, I never thought LeVoir had a PRAYER of beating out my boy "Smashing" Steve Maneri.

LeVoir's fate ~ barring injuries ~ was SEALED, the day Light was signed.

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[PatsWickedPissah]

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I figured Cannon would be back week 8 7 is our bYE and he has to stay on PUP until week 6

I think it is too early for him and Cannon later on in yr would be a HELLUVA an add as a hybrid G/T

Cannon can come off PUP any time between now and the season's start. It may well be too early for him to play but why would he not be ready?

 

[scout]

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BJGE- His mediocrity annoys me to no end. Lastly, his no fumbling thing is extremely overblown .

Wow. I'm betting BB would disagree with you. When you fumble you usually give the ball to the other team.

 

[patfanken]

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It's not really obvious because you're ignoring a simple rule here. You don't want to get rid of players unless you have an adequate replacement. Belichick ignored that rule when he shipped out Seymour, and it's cost the team for two seasons already. We're just hoping that problem's finally fixed by his kitchen sink approach, and 3-4/4-3 'adjustments' this year..

You were spot on with all the comments you made except one above 2 points. First you state that Seymour's has cost the Pats 2 seasons. That's just wrong. Seymour wasn't coming back to the Pats after the 2009. It was common knowledge that for whatever reason, Richard wanted a change of scenery. If you don't believe that, then its fair to speculate that the market price for Richard Seymour wasn't within the budget the Pats were dealing with, having to sign Brady and Wilfolk as well.

Secondly you imply that there is some flaw in BB management by NOT have an adequate replacement. That just plain unfair Richard Seymour was the best DLman in the league for most of his time in NE. He's still a top DLman in the league, as well as the highest paid one. He was also BB's ONLY pick in single digits....and he didn't miss. The point is that you can't simply replace him "adequately" Just about anyone you brought in would be a downgrade.

There is no question they missed him in 2009, but that was a flawed team to begin with. It was a good team, but the loss of Seymour wasn't the reason they didn't go farther than they did.

In the end I think it would be fair to postulate that the Pats would have been a better team with Seymour playing in 2009. But its overkill to think that it somehow would have been possible to sign him beyond that period.

Its also fair to think that with the resources that WEREN'T expended for Seymour were well used, including Nat Solder

 

[Ring 6]

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I've never been a big fan of BB's idea of quality OL depth. I just assumed he went after players that fit the Pats zone blocking schemes, but average to below average size, coupled with short arms and comparitively inferior strength has always nettled my sense of what our OLmen should be. This year,this draft shows a decided shift to the bigger, heavier,longer armed OLman type. I don't know if it's protection issues he wants to address or a change in the blocking scheme or what.I'm hoping one or more of the board experts can identify what is going on in these upcoming three preseason games.

But you can't ignore that we have had tremendous success when needing to put backup OL on the field.
We really havent had a lot that turned into long time starters, but we have rarely missed a beat when a starting OL has been injured.

 

[mgteich]

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Yes "barring injuries"

If LeVoir is our #5 OT, the question is why we didn't wait until the last minute, just in case there was an injury.

For the record, I never thought LeVoir had a PRAYER of beating out my boy "Smashing" Steve Maneri.

LeVoir's fate ~ barring injuries ~ was SEALED, the day Light was signed.

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[mgteich]

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I suspect that Belichick is looking for the 2011 version of Ojinnaka, a veteran backup at OG and OT, or better yet, at OG and C.

Are folks here really OK with Solder being the backup RT for Game One? As of now, the backups on Game Day are Solder and Ornberger/Wendell.

 

[Ring 6]

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Yes "barring injuries"

If LeVoir is our #5 OT, the question is why we didn't wait until the last minute, just in case there was an injury.

You know the old saying. No one stays the same, you either get better or get worse. I think Levoir was capable enough to have stuck for awhile and actually play a bit, but likely BB saw a guy not progressing and figured someone off the scrap heap would be just as good a replacement if needed.

 

[patsinthesnow]

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I suspect that Belichick is looking for the 2011 version of Ojinnaka, a veteran backup at OG and OT, or better yet, at OG and C.

Are folks here really OK with Solder being the backup RT for Game One? As of now, the backups on Game Day are Solder and Ornberger/Wendell.

A 1st round OT is fine for a backup.

 

[IcyPatriot]

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I suspect that Belichick is looking for the 2011 version of Ojinnaka, a veteran backup at OG and OT, or better yet, at OG and C.

Are folks here really OK with Solder being the backup RT for Game One? As of now, the backups on Game Day are Solder and Ornberger/Wendell.

Belichick checks our comfort level before he makes decisions ... come on now ... are folks really ok ... that's funny.

 

[jefmblrd]

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Frankly I'm fairly surprised at this, but I had read how much BB likes Maneri's play. Hope he can catch on somewhere.

 

[Fencer]

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I suspect that Belichick is looking for the 2011 version of Ojinnaka, a veteran backup at OG and OT, or better yet, at OG and C.

Are folks here really OK with Solder being the backup RT for Game One? As of now, the backups on Game Day are Solder and Ornberger/Wendell.

Why not Manieri as backup over Solder?