Yes, Asiasi and Keene Are Flops

[Joker]

they're all busts and it was all just Brady so we're all fooked more or less...thanx...now back to my triple root canal YIPPEE!

 

[Deus Irae]

I remember when Damien Harris was a bust after his rookie season, too.

Why do y'all keep trying to force such awful comparisons?

 

[Ice_Ice_Brady]

I remember when Damien Harris was a bust after his rookie season, too.

I don't remember anyone saying that...the Patriots are well known for red-shirting running backs with Sony Michel being an exception, but he was a first round pick. They also red-shirted Vereen and White. This isn't comparable at all to two tight ends not playing despite the team having absolutely zilch for other options and then spending huge bucks in the offseason to bring in veterans.

 

[Toofy]

Any reason why asiasi is not getting snaps. Is asiasi gonna be cut next year. I sure hope we can build on something with asiasi but doesn't look like it

 

[captain stone]

Any reason why asiasi is not getting snaps. Is asiasi gonna be cut next year. I sure hope we can build on something with asiasi but doesn't look like it

The fact that a utterly ****ing useless pile of poo like Matty LaGlasse has been given snaps ahead of him this season doesn't really bode well for our friend Mr Assy-assy.

The 3rd round of the 2020 draft (and the 4th & 5th rounds too) was Little Nicky Caesar's parting "gift" to the organization... Thanks a bunch.

 

[Love The Drake]

The fact that a utterly ****ing useless pile of poo like Matty LaGlasse has been given snaps ahead of him this season doesn't really bode well for our friend Mr Assy-assy.

The 3rd round of the 2020 draft (& the 5th round too) was Little Nicky Caesar's parting "gift" to the organization... Thanks a bunch.

Good riddance

 

[oldrover]

The fact that a utterly ****ing useless pile of poo like Matty LaGlasse has been given snaps ahead of him this season doesn't really bode well for our friend Mr Assy-assy.

The 3rd round of the 2020 draft (& the 5th round too) was Little Nicky Caesar's parting "gift" to the organization... Thanks a bunch.

The crazy thing is that Bill's been pretty good at drafting TE's all along... Graham, Watson, GRONK, the Murderer... but lately, yeah, it's a big suck-o-rama.

 

[VectorPrime]

So who were some better players selected around these two bums?

 

[Scotty]

Must admit that I would not be quite ready to eject Asiasi. But it is a bad sign when Lacosse was played before him. I would still give Asiasi a chance. Not so sure about Keene though but that is just a feeling rather than based on knowledge.

 

[203Pat]

I think there is a solid chance neither Keene or Asiasi is on the roster week 1 in 2022.

 

[TheRainMaker]

This was quite clear when they signed Henry and Smith.

 

[borg]

The crazy thing is that Bill's been pretty good at drafting TE's all along... Graham, Watson, GRONK, the Murderer... but lately, yeah, it's a big suck-o-rama.

Has he really?
Let's take a look at Bill's two 1st round TE picks

Daniel Graham
Drafted 21st in '02....played 5 seasons in NE.....2 rings......0 Pro Bowls
Averaged 1.9 catches, 22 yds, and 0.26 TDs in his 63 regular season NE starts
Averaged 1.2 catches, 13 yds, 0.1 TDs in 11 playoff games

Can't deny Graham's blocking proficiency.....but....if BB used a mid 1st round draft pick in recent years to draft a blocking TE, this board would melt down
Note: Board crucified Jonnu Smith's NE stats/gm are identical to Grahams....2.2 catches, 21 yds, 0.1 TDs (blocking a different story)
Recent comparison: N'Keal Harry....essentially a 1st round blocking WR though N'Keal took 3 years to find his niche
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Ben Watson
Drafted 32nd in '04....played 7 NE season....1 ring.....0 Pro Bowls
Averaged 2.3 catches, 28 yds, and 0.25 TDs in his 81 NE games
Averaged 2.2 catches, 23 yds, and 1.2 TDs in his 10 NE playoff games

Can't deny Graham's athleticism and threat level, yet this TE's stats show either an underutilized asset while a Patriot or an overvalued NFL TE given his draft position, stats, and reputation.
Note: Less of an athlete Hunter Henry is averaging 3 catches, 34 yds, and 0.64 TDs
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Yes.....team success trumps individual stats
But, the pass catching stats for both are underwhelming and it is understandable why BB let Graham move on after his rookie contract expired.
Watson's 14 year NFL career validates his draft slot more than his NE production, IMHO

 

[captain stone]

So who were some better players selected around these two bums?

Three bums, including Anfernee Jennings...

At TE, the two obvious BPAs there were Adam Trautman & Harrison Bryant... Should've been obvious to Bill & Nicky too; even to Nike.

At LB, I would've taken Malik Harrison or the rangier Troy Dye ahead of Jennings... Heck even Useless Uche might've still been available here; that's where his true value was anyway, as I never, Ever considered him a late 2nd/early 3rd-round dude, ESPECIALLY in a trade-UP situation... That was completely unnecessary for somebody like him.

At WR, my Inside guy would've been Devin Duvernay and my Outside guy Gabriel Davis.

On the OL, my OT would've been Lucas Niang and my C/G Tyler Bad-ass Biadasz.

At DT, my 3-Tech would've been Jordan Elliot and my 0/1-Tech Leki Fotu.

There really wasn't a DE I liked at the end of the 3rd round, but I thought that Jonathan Greenard was the best of what was left.

At CB, my Outside guy would've been Cameron Dantzler or Troy Pride, and my Inside guy Amik Robertson.

Probably wouldn't have looked for a Safety here; but if I had, I would've taken Terrell Burgess.

 

[jboston19]

Lee Smith has carved out a respectable career. Can’t forget him!

 

[Deus Irae]

Fun thread to re-read.



Thanks for bringing it back up.

 

[Wozzy]

Both TE’s are good prospects with time to learn and grow behind Henry and Smith. TE is one of the toughest positions for rookies to transition to the pros. People calling them busts already are misanthropic know nothings.

 

[Since1960]

"Hair" today - probably gone tomorrow.....

 

[Family]

The team was locked into picking tight ends with almost no real starter on the roster.

They drafted Dugger/Uche/Onwenu without a first round pick and were picking late. Two starters and probably three.

A draft should be graded as a whole and not just the individual pick.

It certainly wasn't a draft like 2021, but I am happy with this draft despite the obviously failed third round.

 

[farn]

The team was locked into picking tight ends with almost no real starter on the roster.

They drafted Dugger/Uche/Onwenu without a first round pick and were picking late. Two starters and probably three.

A draft should be graded as a whole and not just the individual pick.

It certainly wasn't a draft like 2021, but I am happy with this draft despite the obviously failed third round.

This ridiculous "reasonable" take will NOT be tolerated ! Please take your measured approach elsewhere ! Good day.

 

[RIpats88]

You don't go pay big money to two tight ends if you are confident in your drafted ones.

Thankfully we did. Henry is a beast. Hopefully Jonnu starts picking it up