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Yes, Asiasi and Keene Are Flops

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Deus Irae

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So if a player doesn't succeed in his first year he is a flop?

Sometimes he is, sometimes he's not.

So Damien Harris was a flop? And then whey they succeed you unflop them and they are a success? The sensible position i believe is perhaps more nuanced than flop or not and each player should be looked at on their own merits and context. They might believe that Asiasi might need more time to develop or that he might have potential to be a decent squad player but maybe not a pro bowler. For me flop or not after 1 year is far too premature and black and white.

You're now trying to argue what was essentially a redshirt season behind a sufficient depth chart versus a wasted season despite a horrendous depth chart. Huge difference.
 

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You are becoming the equivalent of Buzzfeed with just posting unmitigated crappy threads every day. And this might be the dumbest yet.

Maybe slow it down for a for a few weeks and think a bit more before abusing that create thread button.

Quality over quantity and all that jazz.

I wont even get into the TE debate because it has been had dozens of times and nothing has changed. Just keep in mind you are talking abo
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luuked

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The potential of two 3rd rounders went form potential starters to potential #3 TE's in the space of a year, based on the judgement of coaches and staff.

Except you have no clue whatsoever what the internal eval on any player is. You are just looking at several not particularly connected things and combine them to form a narrative that works with your own biases.

Signing the top two TEs on market in a year where prices are depressed and a year before they will most likely sky rocket up (thanks to fans returning and a new tv deal on the horizon) doesn't mean that the two rookies picked in round 3 are considered a flop internally.

Hell with Keene we dont even know if he was drafted to play TE or the FB/HB/TE hybrid piece that many beat guys speculated about.

The only thing that is clear is that the projection for both of them for 2021 was worse than for Henry/Smith. Which would be true for any TE we could have gotten a year ago.

Your are presenting your own speculation as some kind of understood facts when they are absolutely not.
 

50-yard-line

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Just went back and looked at the 2020 TE draft class.

Nothing stands out. Kmet was highest-ranked, but the rest were bunched.
 

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Premature...Prescient...

Maybe you should change your handle to Captain Carnac?

 

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But what exactly has ANY of those 2020 TEs done?? Even the ones (Trautman, Bryant, Kmet etc) considered better than Asiasi...nothing at all. Can’t effectively call any of them better at this point, so this is all still a moot point.
 

Ollie

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Sometimes he is, sometimes he's not.



You're now trying to argue what was essentially a redshirt season behind a sufficient depth chart versus a wasted season despite a horrendous depth chart. Huge difference.
Good point although BB himself pointed out that TEs have more to absorb in their rookie years than most positions and it can often mean they won't contribute much in their rookie years. Add in no preseason, disrupted practices and both having to deal with injuries and it's easy to see why they perhaps didn't contribute much in their rookie years. The fact that BB went out and bought he two best players at the position only suggest that he believes that Keene and Alasi aren't at that level at the moment which would be surprising if they were tbh. But to call two third rounders flops because of it is a bit harsh. At this stage both players could go on to have half decent NFL careers without ever reaching the level of Jonnu or Henry and that wouldn't necessarily mean they are flops.
 
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captain stone

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But what exactly has ANY of those 2020 TEs done?? Even the ones (Trautman, Bryant, Kmet etc) considered better than Asiasi...nothing at all. Can’t effectively call any of them better at this point, so this is all still a moot point.

Kmet, Trautman & Bryant had actual, you know, talent ahead of them on their respective teams depth charts...Assy-assy & Keane didn't, and still couldn't do jack sh!t here...and Yes I know that they had much better QBs - even in Chicago - throwing them the ball; but Trautman & Bryant would've found ways to contribute, for the simple reason that they are Just Plain Better prospects.

And once again, people are forgetting - or deliberately ignoring - the exorbitant AND NEEDLESS, Special Olympics-Sized price that Billy & Nicky paid for these two, when they almost certainly - especially in the case of Keane - could've had Both of them WITHOUT MOVING UP WHATSOEVER! HELLO!?!

The Obtuse is strong in these ones...
 
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Ollie

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I tdoesn't matter who is or isn't ahead of you talent wise when you take into account they they were rookies at a tricky position to contribute straight away plus an awful year to be a rookie with no preseason and a disrupted camp and both being injured during the year too and just too add to it the worst qb in the league. They played at the end of the season and didn't look terrible without being in any way spectacular either.
 

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