But it's obviously not. There are players where you "know" in just a practice or two, yet people here continue to pretend that there's some nearly-set minimum of time required for draftees, as long as they are Patriots draftees. I mean, you know that people here have no problem calling other teams' draftees busts in year one. The sensible position to take on this thread's title is to say "Yes, they flopped. That can obviously then be followed up with something like "But the team has looked to fix that problem, and hopefully one or both of these kids can surprise us moving forward", if one is an optimist or just thinks the particular circumstances merit it. But, for some reason, we rarely seem to take such sensible approaches to failed Patriots players around here.
There's a difference between giving players second chances and pretending they haven't been flops. There's also a difference between evaluating an entire draft class and evaluating individual players. And we also generally acknowledge a difference in how teams handle high round players versus how they handle lower round players. If the Patriots cut Tre Nixon this offseason, few will be screaming about him needing 2-3 years to show out, but Barmore/Jones getting the axe would lead to much weeping and gnashing of teeth.