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  1. Ring 6

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    Culture matters. Anyone who has played sports understands this. Flores walks into Miami and creates his culture good or bad. Recognizing the team is undermanned and scrapping and clawing for every win sets a tone. Telling the team we are going to play the qb that stinks and trying to lose sets a time as well.
    At least half of these players will be back next year. Going through a season of giving up will certainly carry over and being a coach that is demanding of the best from his players does too.
    Belichick has the ideal opportunity to tank in 2000 and did not. Because he was building a culture. Belichick witnessed an obvious tank job in Indy and his comments left no doubt that this would never happen in New England.
    People misapplying his comments about a team changing from year to year (because half the team changes) doesn’t say the culture changes. The message and the culture gave no changed since day 1.
     
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    Could I get the Cliff notes for this post? My paper is due tomorrow.
     
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    Well yeah actually the cliff notes are a Dostoyevski novel, about 1/2 the length :D
     
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    Encyclopedia PatsFanInVa.
     
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    So you're suggesting that nepotism in coaching has nothing to do with why the hiring demographics are the way they are? It is very difficult for a brilliant black student of the game to join the coaching ranks when the league has an established pecking order.

    I'm happy to see Bill hiring Mayo. Players can become great coaches with mentorship. I agree that Jordan and Bird don't show any skills related to being a CEO of General Motors. I would trust Jordan as much as Bird to be the coach of a team, however, and that's what I'm pointing out.

    I never said to hire anyone because of skin color. I just want teams to select, as you say, the best person for the job.

    As far as I can tell, we're in complete agreement.
     
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    Yeah, I feel like I need an appendix so I can reference the page and line number where I can find my answers. PFiVA, what’s the matter with you? You know I’m not reading all that.
     
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    Literally nobody has argued otherwise. You’re arguing with yourself here.

    He created a culture already. He shipped out the bad apples. Culture needs to be established constantly. Anyone who has any sort of responsibility in their day to days understands this. For the average office person, it’s OTJT, conferences, orientation, etc. For football players, it’s their first days back after the offseason. I’m going to let you in on a little secret - football isn’t life for these guys. It is, clearly, for you, but it isn’t for them. They take roughly half the year away from the game. Furthermore, the team will have around 14 rookies (not counting the guys they sign as UDFAs and including 3 first round picks unless they trade out), FA signings, and will lose some of the guys that didn’t impress on tape. It will be a whole... new... football... team. Hence the “every season is different” ideology being tossed out.

    The new guys won’t give a **** that they won 2-3 games last year. The guys that were on the 2019 squad and were held over will care, but you’re massively overblowing how much. In the end, the culture needs to be re-established every single offseason. There are very good reasons for that.

    Literally nobody has argued otherwise. You’re arguing with yourself here.

    The comments aren’t misapplied at all. You just don’t like how they fit when applied to a rival team because you’ve never learned to think critically and take emotion out of your analysis. This makes many of your posts historically ridiculous and it’s why your name, again, has become a verb on here. You should ask yourself why you hate the idea of a division rival tanking so much if it’s such a dumb thing to do. One would think you’d be all for it. Hmm... I wonder why that is?
     
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    There is nothing wrong with, at the beginning of a new regime, ridding your team of players you have determined are not part of your long-term or even near-term future, substituting them with rookies & with trusted veterans familiar with your way of doing things, telling them to give it all they have, game-planning to the best of your ability...and still lose. You have then begun to establish your culture while at the same time improved your draft position.

    By the following season, you should now be ready to attempt to go at least 4-4 at home while winning at least 2 road games...maximizing draft position should not become as high a priority, especially as long as you feel comfortable at QB.

    By season 3, competing for at least a WC spot should be the goal, no excuses.
     
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    We disagree.
     
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    Who's "we?" You and AndyJohnson?
     
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    Me and the poster I disagree with.
     
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    So arguing with himself?
     
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    Funny how Andy Johnson 100 is currently in the twitter feed on the right of the page!
     
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    Is this one of those the ceiling is the roof type moments?
     
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    What was the question again?
     
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    I thought about law school back in the day. Tomes like that post, while well thought out, made me hesitant.

    Isn't there a meme of a cat that can basically explain a position on tanking?

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    Thought of this thread yesterday as I watched Tua’s season ended by injury.

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