Ryan Fitzpatrick --> Texans.. Guess no to Mallet

[PatsWickedPissah]

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Silence speaks volumes

 

[Huckleberry1]

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How about fans that go watch him in camp and the pre season? How about ex-football players that have seen him and talked to players and coaches on the team about Mallett - they all certainly have something to say - and it's almost all uniformly not good when it comes to Mallett.

He's big, lumbering, appears slow to make his reads, has god awful footwork, but has that potent arm. Sometimes a sow's ear is a sow's ear.

I have seen him in camp and there is no way any fan could make an informed decision on him based on the few snaps we see during those practices. As for the "ex players and coaches" who have weighed in on him I have yet to see or hear anything negative from them and no one has linked to anything from them so i'm not sure which ex players and coaches you are referring to. Can you enlighten us o who they are?

Brady is also big and slow and yet somehow he turned out all right, go figure?

I have never made any argument about Mallett being a great young player well worth a second round pick, the argument i have made was that BOB spent a couple of seasons and offseasons coaching him and knows what he is and what he can be, and that combined with the knowledge of the system BOB is going to use in Houston might make him a player that he is interested in and that he couldbelieve he is worth using their second on while maximizing the worth of their first overall. He could pass altogether and Mallett may finish his career in NE sitting behind Brady for another year, and there's a decent likelihood that ends up being the case, we really don't know but O'Brien and Belichick do.

 

[Brady6]

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Silence speaks volumes

If you had asked me a few months ago or even a month ago, I would have said it was possible the Texans would trade for Ryan Mallett. I think that a few factors have eliminated that possibility –

- Blake Bortles was very impressive during his pro day, and now appears to be a legitimate possibility at #1 overall.
- Jimmy Garoppolo stock is on the rise and he could be considered a better prospect than Mallett and should be available at #33 overall.

Given these developments, I do not see Mallett going to Houston, not for #33 anyway. If the Vikings, or Browns do not get a QB in the first round and Garoppolo is gone prior to their selection in the second round that could open up the possibility for a Mallett trade, but I still do not see it netting a second.

 

[JoeSixPat]

Clearly the Texans were spooked by all the chatter here at Patsfans about what it would take to get the Patriots to trade Mallet to them

What were we up to - two years of first round picks and an additional 2nd rounder?

Seems like the backup QB is always the most under-rated player for the 30 years or so I've been following the Pats closely

 

[supafly]

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I have never made any argument about Mallett being a great young player well worth a second round pick, the argument i have made was that BOB spent a couple of seasons and offseasons coaching him and knows what he is and what he can be

Bill O'Brien accepted the head coaching job at Penn State right around the start of the year in 2012, before we even had our first playoff game. That's why we brought in Josh McDaniels again for our SB stretch run.

Unless Bill O'Brien really got to see some behind the scenes action from Mallett in practice during his rookie year that warrants giving up a top 3 round draft choice, I think this is nothing more than Mike Lombardi fan speculation part II.

Mallett missed the entire OTA/minis due to the lockout, then proceeded to hold the clipboard on the sidelines in training camp as he attempted to try and pick up about 1/10th of our playbook. O'Brien was gone about 3-4 months later. In all reality, what could he have possibly seen that would warrant risking a top 3 round pick in his first season as an NFL head coach?

He'd have to be one hell of a gambler making a choice like that in his first attempt at an NFL draft, and that's not even taking the contract situation into account; where he'd have to guess as to what to sign Mallett to (unless they somehow worked out a 1 yr deal like Deus Irae proposed, which sounds good in theory, but doesn't happen too often when you're trading for a potential starting QB with a 2nd/3rd round pick).

Now, rumor has it that Mallett took a halfway decent year 2 step up in training camp and what he learned in our system, but O'Brien was long gone having coached PSU for over 8+ months at that point.

 

[Wilfork#75]

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Bill O'Brien accepted the head coaching job at Penn State right around the start of the year in 2012, before we even had our first playoff game. That's why we brought in Josh McDaniels again for our SB stretch run.

Unless Bill O'Brien really got to see some behind the scenes action from Mallett in practice during his rookie year that warrants giving up a top 3 round draft choice, I think this is nothing more than Mike Lombardi fan speculation part II.

Mallett missed the entire OTA/minis due to the lockout, then proceeded to hold the clipboard on the sidelines in training camp as he attempted to try and pick up about 1/10th of our playbook. O'Brien was gone about 3-4 months later. In all reality, what could he have possibly seen that would warrant risking a top 3 round pick in his first season as an NFL head coach?

He'd have to be one hell of a gambler making a choice like that in his first attempt at an NFL draft, and that's not even taking the contract situation into account; where he'd have to guess as to what to sign Mallett to (unless they somehow worked out a 1 yr deal like Deus Irae proposed, which sounds good in theory, but doesn't happen too often when you're trading for a potential starting QB with a 2nd/3rd round pick).

Now, rumor has it that Mallett took a halfway decent year 2 step up in training camp and what he learned in our system, but O'Brien was long gone having coached PSU for over 8+ months at that point.

While I agree with most of what you are saying, another factor to consider is George Godsey is now the Texans QB coach and he has spent the last 3 years in New England and would have a pretty good idea of what Mallett can do. I also think another important aspect will be how did O'Brien rank Mallett coming out of College vs this years QB crop. If he liked Mallett more than all of these guys coming out and thinks he is a better fit then I think there is a slim chance he may prefer to go that route. It's highly unlikely but at this stage of the offseason I wouldn't rule anything out. I know if I was in charge of a QB needy team I would be looking for a veteran QB because I don't think too highly of this draft class in terms of elite talent QB's. There is some really solid mid round guys, but I wouldn't touch any of the guys in the top 10.

 

[supafly]

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While I agree with most of what you are saying, another factor to consider is George Godsey is now the Texans QB coach and he has spent the last 3 years in New England and would have a pretty good idea of what Mallett can do. I also think another important aspect will be how did O'Brien rank Mallett coming out of College vs this years QB crop. If he liked Mallett more than all of these guys coming out and thinks he is a better fit then I think there is a slim chance he may prefer to go that route. It's highly unlikely but at this stage of the offseason I wouldn't rule anything out. I know if I was in charge of a QB needy team I would be looking for a veteran QB because I don't think too highly of this draft class in terms of elite talent QB's. There is some really solid mid round guys, but I wouldn't touch any of the guys in the top 10.

I certainly wouldn't rule it out. I'm just thinking that the whole "Mallett/O'Brien connection" may be somewhat overblown, that's all.

If it were me as HC of the Texans, I'd probably go Clowney with #1, and then look for someone in the 2nd/3rd rounds for a cheap, rookie contract (another aspect to consider when assessing Mallett's chances of going there).

I'd also probably select a journeyman veteran QB who can compete for starting reps with whatever rookie I chose, so if I were going to bring in a guy I knew I may be more inclined to make a trade for Brian Hoyer just the same, as he led CLE to a 3-0 record when he started this season.

Then again, he may still keep TJ Yates/Case Keenum as well, or at least one of them as a 3rd stringer. I may be inclined to keep one of them, due to their knowledge of the system. It will be interesting to see what O'Brien decides to do.

I'm a bit surprised that he didn't make a play for Matt Cassel. At least he's somewhat capable as an NFL starter, and he'd probably have accepted something in the 2/8--2/9 range as opposed to the 2/10 range at MIN knowing that he'd have definitely been starting.

 

[Ring 6]

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While I agree with most of what you are saying, another factor to consider is George Godsey is now the Texans QB coach and he has spent the last 3 years in New England and would have a pretty good idea of what Mallett can do. I also think another important aspect will be how did O'Brien rank Mallett coming out of College vs this years QB crop. If he liked Mallett more than all of these guys coming out and thinks he is a better fit then I think there is a slim chance he may prefer to go that route. It's highly unlikely but at this stage of the offseason I wouldn't rule anything out. I know if I was in charge of a QB needy team I would be looking for a veteran QB because I don't think too highly of this draft class in terms of elite talent QB's. There is some really solid mid round guys, but I wouldn't touch any of the guys in the top 10.

I think you are getting close to the heart of the matter.
Mallet was a 3rd round pick who has done absolutely nothing to show he is worth more than that. Those that know him seem to concur that he is not worth more than that. Not playing football for 3 years would degrade his value, even if there were reasons to think he was underdrafted. Football players who go 3 years without playing football generally are not better after the fact.

 

[AzPatsFan]

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I think you are getting close to the heart of the matter.
Mallet was a 3rd round pick who has done absolutely nothing to show he is worth more than that. Those that know him seem to concur that he is not worth more than that. Not playing football for 3 years would degrade his value, even if there were reasons to think he was underdrafted. Football players who go 3 years without playing football generally are not better after the fact.

The inactivity certainly ruined Aaron Rodgers. The only ones who know Mallett are the Patriots coaches.