rumor: Brady not expected to be a regular participant in offseason program

[luuked]

And BTW, one of us the message board could easily write an article that BB is leading a revolt against TB. Not resigning his LT? Check. Not resigning his 2017/2018 leading playoff receiver? Check. Not resigning the team’s leading rusher and dual-threat RB? Check.

The only clown who could write this article and ignore the history BB has with FA, player contracts and the salary cap would be Volin.

Try again..

 

[Deus Irae]

Like I said. I am done correcting you on all the silly assumptions you have...

So much irony.......

 

[supafly]

But I will definitely not join the hypocritical bozos here who whine about dropkicks.

The drop kick was not only completely unnecessary, but it was dumb as **** up 14-0. There’s no harm in criticizing that. It’s true. It fired up the other team. When was the last time you saw a team drop kick the football?

(Squeezes rubber nose—Beep, beep)

 

[fnordcircle]

Brady is just doing auditing with L Ron Guerrero in the celebrity center, you guys.

 

[luuked]

The drop kick was not only completely unnecessary, but it was dumb as **** up 14-0. There’s no harm in criticizing that. It’s true. It fired up the other team. When was the last time you saw a team drop kick the football?

(Squeezes rubber nose—Beep, beep)

My point is that this game was not lost on a dropkick but by shoddy time management at the end of the half which forced a punt, awful ST plays which resulted in an Eagles score from that very punt, another punt return TD and a 99yd pick-6.

Also the story of the Eagles being fired up by that is just a myth. It gave the Eagles at best 10-15yds of field position (which is the equivalent of a bad tackle) and they followed the play up by getting almost a three & out but Bradford connected on a third and long in midfield against Logan Ryan.

In fact the Eagles game in 2015 is the perfect occasion to criticize the coaching staff for an awful performance but ironically people pay all the attention to the mostly meaningless dropkick but not all the other much more real blunders in the game.

 

[supafly]

My point is that this game was not lost on a dropkick but by shoddy time management at the end of the half which forced a punt, awful ST plays which resulted in an Eagles score from that very punt, another punt return TD and a 99yd pick-6.

Also the story of the Eagles being fired up by that is just a myth. It gave the Eagles at best 10-15yds of field position (which is the equivalent of a bad tackle) and they followed the play up by getting almost a three & out but Bradford connected on a third and long in midfield against Logan Ryan.

In fact the Eagles game in 2015 is the perfect occasion to criticize the coaching staff for an awful performance but ironically people pay all the attention to the mostly meaningless dropkick but not all the other much more real blunders in the game.

We share different opinions on this, but I’m really just busting your chops. I couldn’t pass up the opportunity to respond to the “bozo” comment.

 

[supafly]

Brady is just doing auditing with L Ron Guerrero in the celebrity center, you guys.

He’s just pulling a Koresh, no worries. He’ll come out of his compound once Guerrero sees definitive proof of the 7 seals. Hopefully, that occurs prior to training camp.

 

[luuked]

We share different opinions on this, but I’m really just busting your chops. I couldn’t pass up the opportunity to respond to the “bozo” comment.

I just can't understand how anyone keeps critizising BB over a dropkick that gave up 10-15 yards but completely ignores one of the biggest coaching mistakes he ever did that happened at the end of the half and made us punt with seconds on the clock instead of making sure that at worst time expires.

The dropkick was a ST play where the coaches actually saw something on tape, got the expected look but then the player(s) failed to execute. It went wrong but the process that got us there was still conceptually sound and they should be congratulated that they find things on tape that can potentially be used to gain another possession and dare to use it in games. A similar thing happened this year with the fake punt that got Ebner injured.

Mismanaging the clock like that on the other hand is just awful coaching.

 

[Jackson 2]

Are people actually letting this totally speculative article color their opinions of Brady? Anyone who thinks the Brady is leading a revolt against BB should have their head examined. I’ve read the Curran article; it offers nothing to substantiate this claim. So Gronk isn’t showing up for the start of voluntary workouts. Is this Brady leading a revolt - or a Gronk play for more money, or something else. I don’t have any idea what Gronk is thinking, but to ascribe his actions to Brady leading a revolt is nonsensical.

And BTW, one of us the message board could easily write an article that BB is leading a revolt against TB. Not resigning his LT? Check. Not resigning his 2017/2018 leading playoff receiver? Check. Not resigning the team’s leading rusher and dual-threat RB? Check.

Just to be clear, I think the latter scenario is equally absurd as the former. This just isn’t one of Curran’s best works. He barely puts forward any argument and just tops it off with a splashy headline. It certainly generated a lot of buzz for Curran but he hasn’t exactly doubled down on it recently. Who knows, maybe he saw the headlines ESPN/ Wickersham received for the whole Patriots rift story (which Curran had first without all the accompanying ESPN gossip) and decided it was his turn in the spotlight.

Curran update: last night on ,BST with Tom Giles and Michael Holley, Curran said "he's been told" that Brady's lack of articulation on all of this might be correctly interpreted as this message: "It's Bill or me."

 

[supafly]

Curran update: last night on ,BST with Tom Giles and Michael Holley, Curran said "he's been told" that Brady's lack of articulation on all of this might be correctly interpreted as this message: "It's Bill or me."

Well, that’s quite the disturbing thought, if true. Whatever the issues are, I’m disappointed that they can’t seem to work them out.

 

[carmelo15]

Amendola knew he was lighting a bomb when he said Butler not playing hurt the team. And he did so because he knows that is the way many of his teammates feel.

I’m still pissed about that imagine being a player

 

[Kontradiction]

Like I said. I am done correcting you on all the silly assumptions you have. It all goes in a circle wasting my time.

You were done last time, too.

I disagree with every single point you made. The fact that you can't see Brady's approach radically changing since 2016 is astounding. It is like sitting in a green room with another person arguing it is blue.

Tom Brady discusses 'TB12 Method' and new Patriot Place facility

The above article is from September 5, 2013.

He’s also had a Facebook presence since then as well and was never shy advertising TB12 on there since around the same time. The only major social media outlet he joined late is Instagram. So your conplaints make no sense in that vein. Unless you’re *****ing about his Instagram activity.

Whatever I am done with this.

He says as he proceeds to construct three more paragraphs of nonsense.

Also stop the ridiculous assumption that I dont critizise BB. Nothing is farther from the truth. Give me an actual valid reason and I am the first one to do it (like the handling of OL succession in 2014).

You really don’t criticize BB at all. And there have been numerous decisions the guy has made in the last four years that should have rightfully drawn criticism. That you have to nearly a half decade to find when you were critical over a guy that admits himself that he makes mistakes should tell you all you need to know. And that’s fine too. The forum needs unabashed homers just like it needs chicken littles. But own what you are.

But I will definitely not join the hypocritical bozos here who whine about dropkicks or his arrogance when we lose games only to jerk off over the very same things when the end result coincidentally is positive.

I suppose you’re talking about me? You’re still somewhat newer here but you should be able to pull my criticisms of the guy during the seasons of 2010-present. Even after wins. He’s human. He makes mistakes. Successfully alienating his star QB and star TE is one of them right now.

This entitled **** stain of a fanbase deserves about 10-15 years of Browns like life so maybe we can get away from a point where a making a SB is not even a joyous occasion anymore but seems more like relief to many.

The homers will be the first ones to ride out when that happens. Just like the “hardcore” season ticket holders will bail on the team and quit renewing. As an aside, in this thread you’ve:

1. Accused Tom Brady, a guy that’s never shown an ounce of insubordinate behavior at any point in his life, a “diva”. You also said that it happened overnight (ranging from this season earlier in the thread to now 2016 in this post).

2. Inferred that Amendola, by extension, is an “idiot” because the Butler benching was still a mystery to him.

3. Called the rest of us entitled because we can see the forest for the trees and recognize that guys that have behaved like Brady has his entire career don’t just up and turn into a “diva” (again... your words) overnight.

4. Accused Guerrero and his clients of “leading a mutiny” against the training program... while Edelman, a client, is there as we speak.

You might want to take your own advice and just bow out. I know I’m a pain in the ass to debate with but you should take a deep breath and collect your thoughts. If you wish to keep continuing then answer the question of what should we do in the face of Brady (and Gronk) being divas? Do we trade both of them and start over at the QB position? Because, for the life of me, I can’t understand why you would want a diva playing the most important position on the team.

 

[Kontradiction]

Both Bill and Brady are products of Guerrero’s system. I’d get what I can for them and move on from the drama.

I like how none of the “it’s all Brady” people have responded. I guess they like winning too much.

 

[RobertWeathers]

Curran update: last night on ,BST with Tom Giles and Michael Holley, Curran said "he's been told" that Brady's lack of articulation on all of this might be correctly interpreted as this message: "It's Bill or me."

If I'm reading this correctly, by Tom not saying anything or attending OTAs, that is to be interpreted he can no longer coexist or work with BB on any level?

I used to laugh my ass off at the media ****storm that revolved around the Cowboys but these days the NEP aren't too far off.

 

[Jackson 2]

If I'm reading this correctly, by Tom not saying anything or attending OTAs, that is to be interpreted he can no longer coexist or work with BB on any level?

I used to laugh my ass off at the media ****storm that revolved around the Cowboys but these days the NEP aren't too far off.

No, I think Curran's comment was intended to be taken in a somewhat larger context. For example, he also offered the opinion that Brady's displeasure with BB might go back to when Jimmy G. was drafted and Bill made the public comment about Brady's age being a factor in that decision. Honestly, rw, Curran's and just about everyone else's opinion in this whole s###storm seem to vary from definitive to mercurial to a point where it seems anything is possible, including what was unthinkable only a short time ago. Once again, I HATE this crap and I was in denial for the longest time. But, to me, there's something clearly now different and it's unsettling and disappointing to me.

 

[RobertWeathers]

No, I think Curran's comment was intended to be taken in a somewhat larger context. For example, he also offered the opinion that Brady's displeasure with BB might go back to when Jimmy G. was drafted and Bill made the public comment about Brady's age being a factor in that decision.

I buy how Tom could see the drafting of Jimmy as "F-U Bill. You are not getting rid of me." .

Honestly, rw, Curran's and just about everyone else's opinion in this whole s###storm seem to vary from definitive to mercurial to a point where it seems anything is possible, including what was unthinkable only a short time ago. Once again, I HATE this crap and I was in denial for the longest time. But, to me, there's something clearly now different and it's unsettling and disappointing to me.

Yea the winds are changing. The question is will it blow the house down.

 

[VrabelMayeWin]

Would have been nice to know this before we moved JG. I love Brady as much as the next guy but he needs to be in or out and not become a Favre like drama queen.

 

[Kontradiction]

Would have been nice to know this before we moved JG. I love Brady as much as the next guy but he needs to be in or out and not become a Favre like drama queen.

While I understand that he’s going to be contemplating hanging them up on an offseason to offseason basis now that he’s in his 40s and his kids are growing up, I do agree that the team can’t have that kind of waffling. I also never believed he would play until 45 either. See my posts on the matter last offseason.

 

[MassPats38]

Yea the winds are changing. The question is will it blow the house down.

This protest line (now with a story on Brady possibly not returning) just seems off. If Brady and Gronk want Belichick gone, then it seems an odd play as neither may be long for the NFL and coaches (even older coaches) can last much longer. Kraft brought in Belichick (not Brady) to fix the Pats. It would seem to be a weird power play to ask Kraft to choose one over the other, if that is what this is at all.

Brady has missed offseason workouts previously (2010 for example). He is image and legacy conscious, and leading a mutiny, especially if it is successful and the team were to be less successful without Belichick, would be a significant black mark on his career. I could see he and Gronk skipping voluntary workouts if they are in a divide over Guerrero methods vs. team trainer.

As Brady has played the statesman in his career, I see him calling it a day in a formal conference when done and leaving as he has played. With storylines going from February contract holdouts unless he got a new deal to Guerrero and now to he may not return in 2018, the melodrama just isn't entertaining. I will care when either Gronk or Brady actually say something that offers more than tea leaves on how 2018 might play out, or the Pats announce either or both are being placed on the retired list and off the roster.

 

[The Main]

No need for me to try again. If only you had quoted my next line, so I will quote it for you:
"Just to be clear, I think the latter scenario is equally absurd as the former."

absurd. adjective.
1. Wildly unreasonable, illogical, or inappropriate.