Predictions

[Rex Ryan's Gut]

When you're evaluating the 2007 draft, it would probably help to include the fact that we traded most of our first-day 2007 picks, don't you think? Otherwise, you're basically criticizing the Pats for the fact that a bunch of second-day picks couldn't make a team that went 16-0. Not really sure how that speaks negatively of the Pats.

They have declined a lot since the 16-0 season. This was the essence of my longer post. Mediocre drafting is catching up with them. In '06 and '07, at the start of their poor drafting, they were still an elite team. They have not been elite since, and that is due to poor drafting.

 

[Patspsycho]

And once again: why are you still here? Are you really this obsessed with the Pats? I really wish Ian would just ban you already.

He'll disappear once reality hits, just like the others have done. Trolls just hate regular season.

 

[Rex Ryan's Gut]

Yeah, I have, I've watched notoriously clueless ESPN anchors who make a yearly ritual out of comically bad predictions anoint the Jets. Most of these guys were crowning them back in 2008 too, and we both know how that turned out.

Guess we'll just have to wait 'til they decide the games on the field.

 

[Patspsycho]

They have declined a lot since the 16-0 season.

Pray tell, how do you NOT decline from a 16-0 season?

 

[BradyFTW!]

Guess we'll just have to wait 'til they decide the games on the field.

Yup, the Pats understand that quite well. That's why you haven't heard them talk about how great they are and how they're Super Bowl-bound all offseason. I don't think the Jets got the memo, though.

 

[BradyFTW!]

They have declined a lot since the 16-0 season. This was the essence of my longer post. Mediocre drafting is catching up with them. In '06 and '07, at the start of their poor drafting, they were still an elite team. They have not been elite since, and that is due to poor drafting.

they've been better than the Jets, even with this 'poor drafting' that you speak of. So... what does that say about the Jets drafting?

 

[ctpatsfan77]

The fact that this team goes 11-5 with Cassel (much easier schedule, granted) and then declines to 10-6 a year later with Brady back is a glimpse.

Because obviously the Patriots were trying to win that final game by sending Brian Hoyer out without Randy Moss to help him. . . .

 

[Rex Ryan's Gut]

I'll be back for the regular season. It's getting pretty boring with the same old **** over and over. We've discussed the same topics ad nauseum on here, and the air has grown stale.

Peace.

 

[BradyFTW!]

They have declined a lot since the 16-0 season. This was the essence of my longer post. Mediocre drafting is catching up with them. In '06 and '07, at the start of their poor drafting, they were still an elite team. They have not been elite since, and that is due to poor drafting.

So, to be clear, you're saying that it hurt their 2010 team to trade a 2nd, 4th, and 7th in a notoriously weak draft for Welker and Moss?

 

[Kontradiction]

I'll be back for the regular season. It's getting pretty boring with the same old **** over and over. We've discussed the same topics ad nauseum on here, and the air has grown stale.

Peace.

You'll be back before then. You can't resist. But if this year turns out like other years for the Jets and their fans, we won't be seeing much of you during the regular season.

 

[BradyFTW!]

The 2009 Pats were substantially better than the '08 Pats. They finished one game worse because a) they laid down in week 17, something Jets fans should be very familiar with, and b) they didn't get to play the NFC West, aka the worst division in the NFL.

EDIT: Nice, we finally got rid of him? High fives all around, guys.

 

[Joker]

So, to be clear, you're saying that it hurt their 2010 team to trade a 2nd, 4th, and 7th in a notoriously weak draft for Welker and Moss?

yup...that's what he's saying...I'm flabbergasted...oh wait...no I'm not

 

[Deus Irae]

So, to be clear, you're saying that it hurt their 2010 team to trade a 2nd, 4th, and 7th in a notoriously weak draft for Welker and Moss?

He has no idea what the hell he's saying when it comes to those drafts. Based upon returns to date, the Patriots have out-drafted the Jets in 3 of the last 4 years (only 2006 leans for the Jets), since Moss/Welker were obviously a part of the 2007 draft haul. That's during the era of "bad drafting".

 

[Ring 6]

Andy, it is pretty much agreed upon around the league that the Jets and Dolphins have both vastly improved. You are in the minority in thinking that these teams have not improved.

How is something 'agreed upon throughout the league'?
The Redskins are considered the most improved team every year.
See this is what is so bizarre. You, Rex Ryan and the whole crew think that getting people to think you are good is the job. It dont mean crap.

The Jets lost 6 of 7 in a row at one point last year. How is that a team that doesnt have issues? Those 7 games incuded 5 against teams that finished with losing records.
Aside from the laydowns the Jets:
Won 7 games against teams with a combined record of 49-63.
The average opponent they beat was 7-9.
Lost 7 games against teans that were combined 59-53.
The average opponent they lost to was only 8.4-7.6

They were .500 against a schedule that was just 101-109 in their other games.
They had 5 opponents with winning records (only 1 better than 10-6 ), 2 that were .500 and 7 that were under .500. The Jets were 3-4 against teams with losing records.
That is a team with issues. Not a budding SB Champ.


Read that again.
7-7
Only 5 games against winning teams, and you went 2-3.
7 games against losing teams, and you were 3-4.
Those teams were
5-9
5-9
5-9
5-9
6-9
3-12
5-10
against everyone else and the might Jets could only go 3-4 against them????????????????

Lets break down the Patriots the same way.
10-6
10 wins against opponents that were 72-88. Avg 7.2-8.8 (A better record that the Jets wins opponents, and more importantly 10 of them)
6 losses against teams that were 60-36. The Patriots losses were to teams that were on average 10-6.
The ONLY team with a losing record that beat the Patriots was the Dolphins, who we split with. Yup, the ones that swept you.
The Patriots were 5-1 against teams with losing records. vs 3-4 for the Jets.

Anyone who thinks 1 game is an accurate depiction of the gap between these teams is totally kidding themselves.
With the Jets schedule, plus the 2 laydowns, the Patriots would have been 12-4. With the Patriots schedule, without laydowns, the Jets would have been 6-10.

 

[RayClay]

I see no decline,I'm pretty happy with the influx of talent, especially in the secondary.

I wouldn't be surprised with some early struggles, we're young. as long as we win enough to make the playoffs, I think we'll be playing our best ball and will have more stamina than in some recent campaigns.

 

[amazinPats]

Come on, now. Every team has their busts. The Ghost has been more monumental than others however.

The Jets have a great recent track record when it comes to drafting. They got two huge pieces to the OL in '06, Mangold and Ferguson. Revis and Harris in '07. Those are four HUGE pieces of the team; the so-called "core four". Then in '08 you have the one really bad draft pick in Gholston, but a very good pass catching tight end in Dustin Keller. In 2009 they were able to snatch up their future franchise QB who helped the team get to the AFC Championship game in his rookie year. Laydowns or not, he got them there and they were within 30 minutes from a SB. Shonn Greene in '09 also. So there you have some MAJOR team pieces.

Now, let's look at the same time period for the Pats. Starting in '06, Laurence Maroney in the first round who has been a pretty big disappointment so far. Then Chad Jackson who was an outright bust. Stephen Gostkowski was the best pick of that draft for NE. 2007 was a historically bad draft for NE. Only one player has had success, the rest pretty much nobodies; Brandon Meriweather. Jerod Mayo was an excellent pick in 2008. He is in position to be one of the better ILB's in the league for the next decade. Wheatley has been mediocre at best. Crable was a disaster. Kevin O'Connell is no longer with the team. Wilhite and Slater are JAG's at best, if you even want to call them that. 2009 was an interesting year. Chung and Brace showed next to nothing in their rookie years, but we still have to wait a little longer to see how they pan out. Butler looks to have been a solid pick, not great. Vollmer is excellent and should be a monster for a while. He'll replace Light very soon. The rest are unknown save for Edelman, who looks to be a good player.

So my conclusion is that the Jets have drafted elite players recently (mainly the core four, the rest are yet to be seen). The Pats have drafted mostly JAG's at best with a few good to very good (Mayo and Vollmer) players sprinkled in.

This is why the Jets' stock is rising, and the Pats' stock is falling.

This is all an opinion. No need to attack me. Just want to discuss this with mature football fans.

nice analysis but you totally forgot about Brandon Tate and Tyrone Mckenzie. How can you say the Pats' draft is bad? Look at this yeart's draft as well. We've got a major talent infusion.

 

[RayClay]

I don't agree the Jets are better by getting some bad apples either. They have the best media PR, same as every year.

 

[RayClay]

Even though Cunningham's only a second rounder, I'm hoping he can approach the NFL success of Gholston.

[I forgot his name, so I figured I'd google "Jets bust". Result #1]

 

[Deus Irae]

Even though Cunningham's only a second rounder, I'm hoping he can approach the NFL success of Gholston by the end of the first quarter of game one

FYP

 

[Ring 6]

I don't agree the Jets are better by getting some bad apples either. They have the best media PR, same as every year.

I frankly am really just totally baffled how, aside from Santonio Holmes anyone can really consider their changes to be positive.
At best Cromartie will be flashier, less consistent and overall a wash for Lito Sheppard. This idea that Cromartie is a pro-bowl playmaker is idiotic. He has ONE season where he was a NICKEL corner and got a bunch of Ints, which he has never come close to repeating. Lito Sheppard has been to more probowls than Cromartie, and his most recent one was only 1 season longer ago than Cromartie. Sheppard was 10 times better for his previous team than Cromartie was. Yet somehow, the exJet sucks and the new one is great
Jason Taylor? Even Jet homers know that is a nothing move.
Thomas Jones out and Tomlinson in is a downgrade in every book.
On top of that they tossed out the best run blocker on a team that HAS TO be excellent running the ball to compete to replace him with a 1AA rookie LT changing positions.

Holmes is a good player. But he will miss at least 4 games. And the only way he makes them better is if they become more of a passing team. (If you take Holmes % of the Steelers receptions and apply it to Jets pass completions he would catch like 45 passes this year) How do you suppose they get better by having Sanchez throw more?????????

Frankly, if you look at who they beat, who they lost to, and factor in the 2 gifts, they may have been the worst 9-7 team in the NFL in many years. They have to improve quite a bit to get to .500 against this years schedule.