Pats have engaged in TRADE TALKS for Isaiah Wynn

[p8ryts]

Apparently, the answer to weakness in the OL corp is to trade one of our top 6 OL's.

Thank you. Jeez. Let's try to have the best team we can. Let's not trade people because we have a wish list.

 

[SHOWTIME15]

Thank you. Jeez. Let's try to have the best team we can. Let's not trade people because we have a wish list.

We’re not trading Wynn based on a “wish list.” If we do, we are trading him because he hasn’t lived up to his billing, helps save cap space, and prevents us from losing him for nothing in the off-season.

 

[FreeTedWilliams]

Trade him before he goes in IR. Look if the Pats had a chance in hell of contending this year I would say not to, but they don’t. Wynn was a bad pick when it was made, and he has not even played half of the games since then!!

If the Pats can get some draft capital for him ( and hopefully not use it to draft another 3rd Rd 24 year old Div 3 guy in the first round), I say adios !!

 

[p8ryts]

Trade him before he goes in IR. Look if the Pats had a chance in hell of contending this year I would say not to, but they don’t. Wynn was a bad pick when it was made, and he has not even played half of the games since then!!

If the Pats can get some draft capital for him ( and hopefully not use it to draft another 3rd Rd 24 year old Div 3 guy in the first round), I say adios !!

Giving up in preseason?

 

[mgteich]

Giving up in preseason?

I think that we should flag all posts that presume that we have given up on the season.

 

[Ring 6]

It doesn't matter. If an employee is missing large chunks of work due to a variety of ailments related/unrelated and is a mediocre performer a decision needs to be made.

Moving Mike to RT and adding (if they can get one) a solid RG does not make the team worse.

You already seem to think Wynn will be a solid RT. Hes never played it. We have no idea if he will or not.

Of course and the decision needs to be based upon expectation of the future. An employee who misses time because they are in a car accident would have a different decision than one who calls in hungover on mondays. That is why whether the injuries are inherent to the player or bad luck matters.
You keep avoiding why we wouldn’t dump Brown, Parker and others because of their past injuries.
An average starter is not a mediocre player. A bad starter or average backup is.
The flaw in your argument is that you keep inventing a player we don’t have as the solution.
So let’s play devils advocate.
BB thinks Wynn is jinxed by voodoo and will get hurt and miss time. He is so afraid that for the first time in his career he demoted a starter who is better than the backup over the fear of injury. Bizarre but let’s assume. Then he nice Onwenu to T and gets a new G.
Do you cut Wynn? Are we better with him as a backup that the other backups?
Are you saying Wynn isn’t one of our 9 best OL even if we add another random unnamed player that you are counting upon?

 

[Triumph]

He measured 6’2” 3/4 pre-draft so closer to 6’3” than 6’2” but you do you and make sh*t up to suit your argument. He is essentially the same size as Beechum.

Yes, he is an undersized tackle but is also an effective one when healthy and focused, due to his excellent agility for a 310 lb. human.

Per PFF, Wynn ranks in the 88th percentile of all qualifying tackles in run-blocking grade in gap schemes since 2019.

Hahaha

The issue is pass blocking. Who gives a crap if your Left Tackle is the best run blocker in a passing NFL? LTs are paid with lucrative contracts because they keep the QB clean. Wynn is not ranked because he svcks.

The when healthy excuse has sailed. Wynn is not reliable but that will never stop the Homer's from defending his lackluster career.

 

[Ring 6]

I think that we should flag all posts that presume that we have given up on the season.

Why? We know who they are.

 

[Ras-IR Dowling]

The reason I’m not moving Wynn this year isn’t due to moving Onwenu to RT and weakening our interior line. The reason I’m not moving Wynn is due to Trent Browns injury history. If he goes down who is our LT if we can’t slide Wynn over?

 

[DaBruinz]

Who cares which injuries are chronic or not? You consider Wynn reliable and good. I don't.



Patriots signed 34y/o Brian Waters on the eve of the season and he did fine. Even so if they find a solid vet who has a track record of reliability and consistent performance and he needs a week to get up to speed then fine.

Duane Brown isn't walking through that door. He signed with the Jets.

JC Tretter might consider coming back if the Pats offered him a good deal to play RG.

 

[RobertWeathers]

Of course and the decision needs to be based upon expectation of the future. An employee who misses time because they are in a car accident would have a different decision than one who calls in hungover on mondays. That is why whether the injuries are inherent to the player or bad luck matters.

No. Not if **** "just happens" to the employee consistently. Bad luck, pre-disposed or stupidity. Doesn't matter. That individual cannot be counted on.

You keep avoiding why we wouldn’t dump Brown, Parker and others because of their past injuries.
An average starter is not a mediocre player. A bad starter or average backup is.
The flaw in your argument is that you keep inventing a player we don’t have as the solution.
So let’s play devils advocate.
BB thinks Wynn is jinxed by voodoo and will get hurt and miss time. He is so afraid that for the first time in his career he demoted a starter who is better than the backup over the fear of injury. Bizarre but let’s assume. Then he nice Onwenu to T and gets a new G.
Do you cut Wynn? Are we better with him as a backup that the other backups?
Are you saying Wynn isn’t one of our 9 best OL even if we add another random unnamed player that you are counting upon?

You are overthinking this.

Wynn is/was an average starting LT who is good in the run game and mediocre in pass protection.
Wynn is unreliable. History tells us this. Categorize his maladies any way you want.
Wynn has been asked to play a position at the NFL level in 2023 which he has never done. That is risk on top of his pass protection challenges and availability.
Wynn is a FA in 2023. Do they want/need his cap space now or next year? If they get a pick for him now is a better outcome they most likely won't get a comp pick for him next year as they'll be active in FA.

Again, you dump Wynn because of the reasons I have stated IF a reliable, starting-caliber solid replacement can be procured who plays RT or RG and in the same motion/plan we add a pick/player and cap space.

 

[RobertWeathers]

JC Tretter might consider coming back if the Pats offered him a good deal to play RG.

Sign me up. He backs us up at C too.

 

[jimnance]

I think that we should flog all posters that presume that we have given up on the season.

Fify

 

[Ring 6]

No. Not if **** "just happens" to the employee consistently. Bad luck, pre-disposed or stupidity. Doesn't matter. That individual cannot be counted on.

You are overthinking this.

Wynn is/was an average starting LT who is good in the run game and mediocre in pass protection.
Wynn is unreliable. History tells us this. Categorize his maladies any way you want.
Wynn has been asked to play a position at the NFL level in 2023 which he has never done. That is risk on top of his pass protection challenges and availability.
Wynn is a FA in 2023. Do they want/need his cap space now or next year? If they get a pick for him now is a better outcome they most likely won't get a comp pick for him next year as they'll be active in FA.

Again, you dump Wynn because of the reasons I have stated IF a reliable, starting-caliber solid replacement can be procured who plays RT or RG and in the same motion/plan we add a pick/player and cap space.

So you agree that reasons and circumstances and likelihood of recurring matter. That is what I’ve been saying.

You are under thinking it

Wynn is as reliable as Brown. History tells us this. Playing in the right side instead of the left is meaningless. You know that.
Of course they will get a comp pick. It’s silly to imply otherwise. This is a starting caliber LT. They don’t grow on trees and NFL teams aren’t offended because a guy had injuries.

 

[RobertWeathers]

So you agree that reasons and circumstances and likelihood of recurring matter. That is what I’ve been saying.

That sentence doesn't make sense to me.

You are under thinking it

Wynn is as reliable as Brown. History tells us this. Playing in the right side instead of the left is meaningless. You know that.

There is a reason some players are more suited at LT over RT and vice-versa. Some can play both. Some can't. We have no idea how Wynn will hold up and perform at RT.

Of course they will get a comp pick. It’s silly to imply otherwise.

Not if they sign more FAs than they lose. There is a formula which determines this.

This is a starting caliber LT. They don’t grow on trees and NFL

Only if he plays and performs and right now it's not LT.

teams aren’t offended because a guy had injuries.

Offended, no. Leery, absolutely.

 

[Ochmed Jones]

Huh? Strange did 31 225 lb reps at the combine, tied for 2nd overall at the combine amongst all players. He also has a RAS of 8.97 in strength. What made you conclude that Strange isn't strong? He's light for a guard, so maybe that's what's confusing you because he can be bull rushed more easily because he's relatively light. But he is very strong and can easily put on weight at some expense to his elite agility.

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I believe I said functional strength. Watch the film, for the most part cole “the” strange “pick” barely moves people off the line.

 

[BaconGrundleCandy]

How would nobody know who a 2 time first team All Pro, a 3 time 2nd team All Pro, 3 time Pro Bowl player and 2nd highest paid T is?

Eh, he was my choice as he is the "smallest" and most injury prone of the top LT's, but ruled him out as what I stated above. The complaint was Wynn's height, so I was looking for someone in that 6'2" range.

I mean you didn't know who it was lol

I'd like to know who this mystery guy is as I've looked around and I'm not seeing anyone that fits your criteria.

There aren't many undersized tackles like him that fit that mold. They're separated by about 2.5 inches between height and arm length.

Back to Wynn. I get trading him bc injuries even though I wouldnt. But pretending he sucks just makes said person look they have an agenda against a player on a team they root for. Just seems weird but we're not talking about the brightest bulbs here. Everyone has favorites or not but actively wanting good players off the team is weird.

 

[TheRainMaker]

I mean you didn't know who it was lol

I actually did, but misread your initial statement “I doubt most here don't even know his name” as “I doubt most here even know his name”. This is why I asked the question and explains the listing of the accolades in my prior post as I thought there was some unknown guy you were thinking around Wynn’s height. Goof on my end.

Bakhtiari I think.

That's what I was thinking, but he's not undersized standing at 6'5''.

 

[TomPatriot]

I believe I said functional strength. Watch the film, for the most part cole “the” strange “pick” barely moves people off the line.

I don’t agree. He had at least 3 plays against Carolina where he drove the DT 3-5 years downfield.

 

[RobertWeathers]

I don’t agree. He had at least 3 plays against Carolina where he drove the DT 3-5 years downfield.

Yea Strange will be alright. I think he'll need a year to become acclimated to the level of competition and complexity at this level which is a couple above where he came from.