PostGame Thread Patriots Lose to the Dolphins 15-10, Drop to 1-4

[Ring 6]

We list to a QB who was a practice squad player 3 weeks ago. If we claimed Huntley off the ravens ps and benched Brissett would we have won today??

Too bad we don’t have any other options at qb who can break the 1 TD a game ceiling.

 

[Ross12]

We list to a QB who was a practice squad player 3 weeks ago. If we claimed Huntley off the ravens ps and benched Brissett would we have won today??

Too bad we don’t have any other options at qb who can break the 1 TD a game ceiling.

If we signed Zappe off the Chiefs PS we would have won today.

 

[ausbacker]

If we're redshirting Maye this year, Mayo should consider starting Milton and just running go routes. I want to see that prodigious arm in action.

 

[State]

We allowed 193 rushing yards after 148 to SF and 133 to the Jets.

That’s a defense saying Why bother giving maximum effort with our offense not doing anything. It’s demoralizing.

Look to see the Texans run 220. That’s the current trajectory.

 

[Ring 6]

If we're redshirting Maye this year, Mayo should consider starting Milton and just running go routes. I want to see that prodigious arm in action.

52 other players are busting their @ss for their career, you can mail in games because you want to see a guy throw the ball far while you get blown out.

 

[dliverey44]

And Joe Milton, if they play him. And they should.

At this point I would like to Maye, but Milton would show that the coaching staff is not alright with the **** show that is JB. That is in my opinion the biggest issue today is the fact that they knew JB was not moving the ball but they ****ing stuck with him. This is the 1st game that I feel Mayo needs to be let go. He has seen that JB is not moving the ball and holding onto it to long but he stuck with him.

I don't remember ever being this pissed with the utter neglect of the coaching staff.

 

[Ring 6]

That’s a defense saying Why bother giving maximum effort with our offense not doing anything. It’s demoralizing.

Look to see the Texans run 220. That’s the current trajectory.

I don’t buy that a defense is allowed to nail it in because the offense isn’t good. We had the lead for mist of the game. This wasn’t 38-0 protect yourself, this was run d was primary reason a crappy offense that didn’t deserve to our 10, did.

 

[dliverey44]

How is that worse? At least watching that would've been fun... The Patriots have been a terrible, absolutely boring product for the last 3 seasons including this year's trainwreck

I had fun coming up new cuss words for Mayo, AVP and JB

 

[ViperGTS]

You said the Pats had a higher offer and that players turned them down. Now you have no examples except you are mysteriously sure that every FA turned the Pats down. When you have no facts, you make up "I am sure". Ridley was not a higher offer, Aiyuk's decision had nothing to do with salary, but you are sure there are "players", that is what you said. Of course you have no links, no concrete examples, only "I am sure".

What is an acceptable overpay but not a massive overpay? Please let us know. Ridiculous. Again you make up a position like "massively overpay" that has no definition, and claim you are correct. Just like "I am sure" where there is no definition but you claim you know. You are correct because you have defined a new FA spending category called "massively overpay" and you have insight that everyone else lacks because "I am sure". Of course there are no concrete examples.

You said it does not happen in the NFL and now you say that the Commanders are a unicorn. So which is it, it does not happen like you claimed, or it does happen but rarely? I only ask becuase you have clearly stated that "I am sure". So are you sure it does not happen, or you are sure that maybe it happens? Is a "unicorn" a new category you are creating like "massively overpay"?

Of course it bothers me to discuss a complex issue with someone who has a much higher IQ and incredible insight. Your concrete examples and logic are mesmerizing. I think the way you make up categories that redefine football strategy is amazing. A MASSIVE overpay and a UNICORN - how intelligent. Considering everything, I am comforted by the fact that "you are sure". And if you are wrong, you would admit it like an adult by claiming any mistake is a unicorn. Remarkable.

What do teams that are 3-14, lose a HoF head coach and hire an unknown coach do to entice coaches never mind players to come? IIRC it has been reported that Nick Caley was offered a very nice package to come to NE but didn't and it "wasn't because the money wasn't really good". So if coaches aren't coming here, what do you think of players? I am sure they were lining up to come here. Here is a definition of massive overpay so you can comprehend it. Player A has two offers, one from the Pats and one from team X. Both are the same, say 3 years 80 million 45 GTD. Team X is a borderline playoff team with a decent but not great QB. The Pats would probably have to offer 4 years, 100 million with 55 GTD. For a player that the market sets at 45. Thats an idea of what is a massive overpay.

By the way, unicorns don't change the fact that "something doesn't happen" in the overall sense. Now if you want to add an addendum that Tom Brady played to 45 and won SB at 44 or whatnot thats fine. So fine, I will say it RARELY happens in the NFL. Does that make it better for you and your sensibilities?

 

[PatsfanTN]

If we signed Zappe off the Chiefs PS we would have won today.

Ohh how I hate to say this about Zappe, but yeah I agree.

And what was the gentleman’s handshake with JB? No matter how bad his play is, “don’t worry, you’ll still start”? JB is not living up to his part of the deal, other than being tough. What’s Maye learning from him (other than what not to do)

 

[TheRainMaker]

If Mayo gets fired within 3 years, he probably knows he won’t have any type of job again in the NFL.

 

[Ross12]

Could it just be a phase? Like when Parcells was too much a hardass, they brought in Carroll to be Mr Nice Guy but that flamed out so they moved back towards what works with Bill. When Bill eventually became too big, they go for “Mr Nice Guy” again in Mayo who seems on track to flame out again. It FEELS fast, but I guess it wouldn’t really shock me that much to see them can him and his staff at the end of the year to bring in a tougher coach. The guys in the locker room would say “well yeah we had a nicer guy last year and we really slipped on our fundamentals”. Maye would have at least had a year of good development in the fundamentals of the west coast offense, which would be applicable to any new coach and OC that come in and want to run a flavor of that.

 

[PatsfanTN]

Could it just be a phase? Like when Parcells was too much a hardass, they brought in Carroll to be Mr Nice Guy but that flamed out so they moved back towards what works with Bill. When Bill eventually became too big, they go for “Mr Nice Guy” again in Mayo who seems on track to flame out again. It FEELS fast, but I guess it wouldn’t really shock me that much to see them can him and his staff at the end of the year to bring in a tougher coach. The guys in the locker room would say “well yeah we had a nicer guy last year and we really slipped on our fundamentals”. Maye would have at least had a year of good development in the fundamentals of the west coast offense, which would be applicable to any new coach and OC that come in and want to run a flavor of that.

Do you seriously think RK would fall on the sword after one year of Mayo?? After all the public talk about knowing “he’s the one”? No way.

 

[Ross12]

Do you seriously think RK would fall on the sword after one year of Mayo?? After all the public talk about knowing “he’s the one”? No way.

I have my doubts too but if it keeps going like this I have a hard time seeing him staying on. He looks so unprepared.

 

[Pape]

Jason Garrett's sitting on his ass in a studio... Wonder if he wants an OC job...

 

[ViperGTS]

I guess thats a possibility, but I would think they have at least 2 years to see what happens. Maybe the mutiny comment from Lazar wasn't too far from the truth in reality. That can come in many different flavors, but going into half time and the team only had 60 passing yards..one would expect some feelings starting to surface. If they didn't have Maye, maybe this team would have collapsed already. The fact he is there might be keeping some of the guys optimism up that he will be inserted soon and that might help the whole team out.

Maybe Vrabel is waiting in the wings but I am not sure that would be a great fit.

 

[One-If-By-Sea]

What do teams that are 3-14, lose a HoF head coach and hire an unknown coach do to entice coaches never mind players to come? IIRC it has been reported that Nick Caley was offered a very nice package to come to NE but didn't and it "wasn't because the money wasn't really good". So if coaches aren't coming here, what do you think of players? I am sure they were lining up to come here.

I agree with that. The owner is cheap and everyone in the NFL knows it. The owner also thinks he is clever and can out think the other owners so he does not have to spend as much. So the owner hired a coach that no one trusts, other coaches or players, because the new coach is cheap. Then the team tried to hire outside coaches and players. Potential new coaches and players are not impressed so they go other places. That includes Bill O'Brien and S Belichick. My point is that it is not about the contract $$ (which I thought you were saying). If the team organization is good, NFL professionals will sign here.

Here is a definition of massive overpay so you can comprehend it. Player A has two offers, one from the Pats and one from team X. Both are the same, say 3 years 80 million 45 GTD. Team X is a borderline playoff team with a decent but not great QB. The Pats would probably have to offer 4 years, 100 million with 55 GTD. For a player that the market sets at 45. Thats an idea of what is a massive overpay.

The Pats first have to stop being cheap and get a coaching staff that NFL professionals respect. It is not about the $$s until the rest of the team structure is in order. Overpay or massive overpay I don't care. No coach or player wants to be involved in the present Patriots' locker room.

By the way, unicorns don't change the fact that "something doesn't happen" in the overall sense. Now if you want to add an addendum that Tom Brady played to 45 and won SB at 44 or whatnot thats fine. So fine, I will say it RARELY happens in the NFL. Does that make it better for you and your sensibilities?

The point is that NFL teams can turn around in 1 or 2 years. Look at the Commanders, look at the Texans, look at the 2001 Patriots. There are lots of examples of 1 or 2 year turn arounds. You were wrong on that point.

With Mayo we will not turn things around. Hopefully Jonathan Kraft is learning. Get rid of the Robyn Glazers of the world. Sign real coaches like Brian Flores and/or Ben Johnson. Get a real GM like Howie Roseman, and we can sign outside players. I think Maye will be good. We need 2 tackles and a WR in the draft and we are back in the running in 2026. We could be really good in 2026 if the Krafts wise up AND Maye is the real deal. We have a ton of cap space to fill out the defense.

 

[One-If-By-Sea]

Do you seriously think RK would fall on the sword after one year of Mayo?? After all the public talk about knowing “he’s the one”? No way.

But RK will let Mayo go after 2 years.

We need 2 tackles and a WR in the 2025 draft. We have a ton of cap space to build out the defense. If the Pats make a few good decisions AND Maye is the real deal, the team could have a new coaching staff in 2026 and be very good.

 

[signbabybrady]

 

[ViperGTS]

I agree with that. The owner is cheap and everyone in the NFL knows it. The owner also thinks he is clever and can out think the other owners so he does not have to spend as much. So the owner hired a coach that no one trusts, other coaches or players, because the new coach is cheap. Then the team tried to hire outside coaches and players. Potential new coaches and players are not impressed so they go other places. That includes Bill O'Brien and S Belichick. My point is that it is not about the contract $$ (which I thought you were saying). If the team organization is good, NFL professionals will sign here.

The Pats first have to stop being cheap and get a coaching staff that NFL professionals respect. It is not about the $$s until the rest of the team structure is in order. Overpay or massive overpay I don't care. No coach or player wants to be involved in the present Patriots' locker room.

The point is that NFL teams can turn around in 1 or 2 years. Look at the Commanders, look at the Texans, look at the 2001 Patriots. There are lots of examples of 1 or 2 year turn arounds. You were wrong on that point.

With Mayo we will not turn things around. Hopefully Jonathan Kraft is learning. Get rid of the Robyn Glazers of the world. Sign real coaches like Brian Flores and/or Ben Johnson. Get a real GM like Howie Roseman, and we can sign outside players. I think Maye will be good. We need 2 tackles and a WR in the draft and we are back in the running in 2026. We could be really good in 2026 if the Krafts wise up AND Maye is the real deal. We have a ton of cap space to fill out the defense.

I don't care about turnarounds I care about SB winning teams. Sure a lot of teams can turn it around per se but that requires shrewd drafting to begin with and I'd argue the Pats have done that with this past draft. Maybe even last years because Gonzo is a stud and a guy like White are pretty good picks. Add to it Maye and Polk this year it seems thats good too. T

The Texans for reference had the 2 and 3rd picks in the '23 draft and that will supercharge your team IF you draft the right guys, which they did. If the Pats keep this ****ty trajectory, they will have the chance to parlay a very, very high pick into many assets. This is how they should approach next years draft. 1st round- OT. Second Round OT. Third Round - Center., You can then add in whatever you have for picks etc.

I agree that the Glazers of the world need to go. I would be on board with a new OC form a modern NFL offense but only if they are here for several years. I don't want to see Maye go through x amount of coordinators or HC in x amount of years. That instability is what we all here laughed at other teams for when their QBs got ruined.