PostGame Thread Patriots Lose to the Dolphins 15-10, Drop to 1-4

[Ring 6]

In light of this conversation. Why was Kittles catch a TD? He dragged his toes, but in the still below as his foot kept sliding across the ground part of it went out of bounds. Maybe I don't understand the rule like I thought I did, but the toe drag is part of the "step" so wouldn't the still below make it incomplete because part of the foot is out of bounds?





I am responding to Ring because he gave me the first explanation.

The shot there shows why. Both feet are in, and no other part of the foot contacts the ground.

 

[signbabybrady]

In light of this conversation. Why was Kittles catch a TD? He dragged his toes, but in the still below as his foot kept sliding across the ground part of it went out of bounds. Maybe I don't understand the rule like I thought I did, but the toe drag is part of the "step" so wouldn't the still below make it incomplete because part of the foot is out of bounds?





I am responding to Ring because he gave me the first explanation.

With the Kittle play there is dragging.

With the Polk play the toe lands in bounds but the heel plants down out of bounds instantly. Some drag could have negated the heel planting but there was none.

 

[Vindicate]

Where we are at is that we turned football operations over to new people and with an enormous amount of resources they couldn’t improve a 4-13 team.

The future of this team is in the hands of how well Wolf, Mayo, AVP and Covington do their jobs, and what sending restraints Kraft puts on them.

So far none of those things look like they are better than the competition.

We're 5 games into the season. Maybe once Maye sits in the driving seat, we'll see an improvement over last year's team. And hopefully the riches they kicked forward can be leveraged even more meaningfully next year.

I don't disagree with the idea that there hasn't been improvement this far. However I'm not exactly sold on the product looking the same over the next few months.

I'm not all that optimistic, to be honest, but that doesn't mean there's enough on the table to conclude this team is an abject failure.

 

[Ring 6]

We're 5 games into the season. Maybe once Maye sits in the driving seat, we'll see an improvement over last year's team. And hopefully the riches they kicked forward can be leveraged even more meaningfully next year.

I don't disagree with the idea that there hasn't been improvement this far. However I'm not exactly sold on the product looking the same over the next few months.

I'm not all that optimistic, to be honest, but that doesn't mean there's enough on the table to conclude this team is an abject failure.

The players are the players. We can evaluate them. Schemes are the schemes.
Sure you can get better, but is that a success by a GM creating a team that is out of contention before it gets better?

I’m looking more at the roster they built rather than the w/l record

Where we differ is I’m not assuming the money wasn’t spent so it could be spent next year.

 

[dliverey44]

The shot there shows why. Both feet are in, and no other part of the foot contacts the ground.

The front of his forefoot just above his toes look out of bounds in the still.

 

[dliverey44]

With the Kittle play there is dragging.

With the Polk play the toe lands in bounds but the heel plants down out of bounds instantly. Some drag could have negated the heel planting but there was none.

If that was true that because it slid across the ground is the difference. frankly the rule is awful, in my opinion.

 

[signbabybrady]

If that was true that because it slid across the ground is the difference. frankly the rule is awful, in my opinion.

The bigger difference is one has heels involved the other only toes. Just pointing out how if there was a little sliding or delay then it could have gone our way.

I don't think it's an awful rule but they could consider tweaking it a little given that cameras these days can capture the small difference between toe-heel better than when the rule was written. But then we open Pandoras box on the timing of every heel-toe landing to see if one came down a split second earlier.

 

[bresna]

The bigger difference is one has heels involved the other only toes. Just pointing out how if there was a little sliding or delay then it could have gone our way.

I don't think it's an awful rule but they could consider tweaking it a little given that cameras these days can capture the small difference between toe-heel better than when the rule was written. But then we open Pandoras box on the timing of every heel-toe landing to see if one came down a split second earlier.

It's an unneeded awful rule. Get rid of it and a player gets his toes in anywhere on the field and it's a catch. That's simple.

 

[signbabybrady]

It's an unneeded awful rule. Get rid of it and a player gets his toes in anywhere on the field and it's a catch. That's simple.

Just the toes? What if a heel comes down in bounds a split second before the toe lands out?

 

[PatsFan2]

DrakyMaye is an unknown I think that's an advantage for us if this game is close and our Defense makes some stops we got this. Nico Collins will be a big loss for the Texans Gonzo can contain Diggs.

 

[bresna]

Just the toes? What if a heel comes down in bounds a split second before the toe lands out?

Any part of both feet lands in bounds, it's a catch. Better?

 

[signbabybrady]

Any part of both feet lands in bounds, it's a catch. Better?

Maybe it is that simple

 

[WhatJustHappened]

We're still talking about this?

 

[bresna]

We're still talking about this?

Too bad the league wasn't. It screwed the Patriots out of a win. Maybe that's why they aren't talking about it more?

 

[Ring 6]

The front of his forefoot just above his toes look out of bounds in the still.

It dragged

 

[Ring 6]

Any part of both feet lands in bounds, it's a catch. Better?

So if you foot lands half in and half out it’s in? They totally contrary to how the rule has always worked.

 

[Ring 6]

The bigger difference is one has heels involved the other only toes. Just pointing out how if there was a little sliding or delay then it could have gone our way.

I don't think it's an awful rule but they could consider tweaking it a little given that cameras these days can capture the small difference between toe-heel better than when the rule was written. But then we open Pandoras box on the timing of every heel-toe landing to see if one came down a split second earlier.

There really isn’t any other way to write the rule than to change from partly is out to partly in is in.
If it didn’t affect the patriots everyone here would be fine with the rule the way it is

 

[signbabybrady]

There really isn’t any other way to write the rule than to change from partly is out to partly in is in.
If it didn’t affect the patriots everyone here would be fine with the rule the way it is

I don't think writing the rule is that hard. The question really becomes if we truly want to analyze every single foot near a boundary to decide which came down first the toe or the heel.

Then once you open Pandoras box what's next? Should we just make it one foot like college since we just established the toe and heel as different body parts.

 

[Ring 6]

I don't think writing the rule is that hard. The question really becomes if we truly want to analyze every single foot near a boundary to decide which came down first the toe or the heel.

Then once you open Pandoras box what's next? Should we just make it one foot like college since we just established the toe and heel as different body parts.

How else would you write it?