OT: Official 2021 Tompa Bay Gronkaneers Thread

[1960Pats]

AB doesn't get the benefit of the doubt anymore. Stop it he is done.

The sad part is that he isn't done if somebody wants to "fix" him for the playoffs.

 

[1960Pats]

They can beat anyone but I could say the same thing of the Patriots in the AFC. It's truly parity this year.

When I think of the NYFL I think more of parody than parity.

 

[1960Pats]

I wouldn’t. Brady’s won with less than what he has now and the NFC field isn’t exactly a bunch of powerhouse defenses. Brown quit on the team in the middle of a game and made a spectacle out of doing so. They should suspend him and move forward without him. Let Tyler Johnson take the reps and see what you have there.

Do you think he'd be a locker room cancer if he goes to another team?

 

[VectorPrime]

Do you think he'd be a locker room cancer if he goes to another team?

Well this is the 3rd time it’s happened and on a 4th team he was only on it for a week so yes.

 

[jmt57]

I can't help but wonder if the AB incident is going to result in an irreconcilable divide between Brady and Arians. First you have the head coach quickly and emphatically saying that 'AB is no longer a Buc'. Then you have Tom on the others side taking an opposing stance, passively defending AB, saying that 'we all love and care for him deeply' and that 'I think everyone should be compassionate and empathetic toward some very difficult things'. And of course we know how TB brought AB into his home, well prior to all this transpiring; he can't be thrilled with Arians' words.


Perhaps I am being a bit extreme, but some might construe Brady's comments to be doubting Arian's decision making, therefore undermining his authority. I don't think it is out of the question for TB to go to the Glazers, perhaps through his agent, and petition for a new head coach in 2022. That may be a moot point; Arians' contract runs through 2022 (with an option for 2023), and he is going to need surgery on his ruptured Achilles tendon. Arians turns 70 a few weeks into the 2022 season. He may be more than willing to walk away with some sort of buyout agreement rather than deal with running the team while simultaneously rehabbing from surgery.

 

[RicoG]

In my opinion, coaching will be what prevent the Bucs winning the Sb. BA system is only based on talent. He can’t win without it and has 0 idea what to do when he doesn’t have talent. I don’t think Leftwich is that great. They are both riding the TB12 train.

there is absolutely 0 creativity in the playbook. It’s all based on players winning their matchup. They never scheme players open. Never ! I hate GB and Rodgers but LaFleur is one of the most creative coach in the league. Why Rodgers is throwing so few INT? It’s, one, because he is risk averse but two, it’s also because he hasn’t had many really though throw to make. GB is like #1 or #2 in WR separation. GB are scheming people open all the time.

it’s time for BA and Leftwich to earn their money and stop riding on Brady’s back. If they want to win anything they have to be much more creative to get guys like Johnson, Perriman and Grayson open. I would say even Evans and Gronk. Evans is a great vertical and contested catch guy but if he doesn’t have anyone to take the focus out of him, he is a non factor.

Creativity is not in their DNA. There is the potential that Johnson, Perriman, and or Grayson can be that WR2 like Amendola often was in the playoffs. The Panthers game will be big not only for the 2 seed but to see what they got.

Fournette coming back will be huge too. He was playing like both White/Blount at their peak.

 

[RicoG]

Well this is the 3rd time it’s happened and on a 4th team he was only on it for a week so yes.

It really depends what mental state he is in. He lasted approximately 10 years with the Steelers. If a team were to pick him up, he'd only have to behave for a month. If he doesn't, easy enough to cut him again.

 

[Kontradiction]

Do you think he'd be a locker room cancer if he goes to another team?

I’d say the odds would be pretty good eventually, but I think even Brown could keep his act together for a team like, say, the Packers long enough to help them win a title. Suspend him and tell him to call God.

 

[Lagaffe_07]

Creativity is not in their DNA. There is the potential that Johnson, Perriman, and or Grayson can be that WR2 like Amendola often was in the playoffs. The Panthers game will be big not only for the 2 seed but to see what they got.

Fournette coming back will be huge too. He was playing like both White/Blount at their peak.

Grayson is the most promising of the bunch. Periman is the equivalent of Scotty Miller last year and Johnson hasn’t been able to produce in the WR3 spot that he played most of the year with brown injured. What make you think he will be able to produce in the WR2 spot?

it’s the equivalent of having Hogan playing WR2.

having no creativity works when you have talent, when you don’t you are kinda screwed.

the level of incompetence showed by Arians and Leftwich during the jets game doesn’t bring me confidence for the playoff. They were save by Brady one more time.

 

[Guts]

I can't help but wonder if the AB incident is going to result in an irreconcilable divide between Brady and Arians. First you have the head coach quickly and emphatically saying that 'AB is no longer a Buc'. Then you have Tom on the others side taking an opposing stance, passively defending AB, saying that 'we all love and care for him deeply' and that 'I think everyone should be compassionate and empathetic toward some very difficult things'. And of course we know how TB brought AB into his home, well prior to all this transpiring; he can't be thrilled with Arians' words.


Perhaps I am being a bit extreme, but some might construe Brady's comments to be doubting Arian's decision making, therefore undermining his authority. I don't think it is out of the question for TB to go to the Glazers, perhaps through his agent, and petition for a new head coach in 2022. That may be a moot point; Arians' contract runs through 2022 (with an option for 2023), and he is going to need surgery on his ruptured Achilles tendon. Arians turns 70 a few weeks into the 2022 season. He may be more than willing to walk away with some sort of buyout agreement rather than deal with running the team while simultaneously rehabbing from surgery.

Nah you're reading too much into it. Even in Tom's post-game presser he did say "unfortunately it will not be with out team". Tom does know that Brown is not right mentally though or at least there's a lot of turmoil going around him

 

[Tottie]

Nah you're reading too much into it. Even in Tom's post-game presser he did say "unfortunately it will not be with out team". Tom does know that Brown is not right mentally though or at least there's a lot of turmoil going around him

Ya I would have to think after the way he exited he's got his coaches back unless BA was asking him to play hurt but I think now that angle is for his contract and he threw a fit on the sidelines about something else.

 

[1960Pats]

No

You'd want 4QCs per/possible 4QCs. In other words, how many times does the QB succeed when put in the position of needing to do so.

Ahhhh. Yes.

 

[1960Pats]

I don't have the point margins, but a simple calculation of 4QC and losses, meaning that technically it's been possible to come back any time you're losing at some point in the 4th quarter (including postseason, and obviously buzzer beaters would be the exception):

4QC / (4QC + Losses)

Brady: 52/126 - 41.3%
Mahomes: 10/25 - 40.0%
Manning: 45/137 - 32.8%
Roethlisberger: 43/134 - 32.1%
Wilson - 28/89 - 31.5%
Brees: 38/123 - 30.9%
Stafford: 34/132 = 25.8%
A. Smith: 20/93 = 21.5%
Rivers - 30/143 - 21.0%
E. Manning: 31/152 - 20.4%
Rodgers: 19/94 - 20.2%

And this meets the eye test, too. Rodgers is a fake superstar. You can only write off small percentages to defense, luck, point margin to overcome. And the Packers general rankings don't come even close to supporting this case.

It demonstrates exactly what people say about him, which is that he's an ultimate front runner who puts up big stats when things are easy but lacks the upper level skills/ refuses to take risks when the team needs him most.

"Captain Comeback"...lmfao...it is quite literally the very opposite.

That's an interesting way to solve the % of 4QCs question. Thanks.

The funny thing is that I never really paid much attention to that until Atlanta Falcons fans started talking about Rodgers' lack of 4QCs vs winning teams a few years ago. At the time he had none.

Another thing that get's overlooked is who he plays most of his games against. He plays in the NFCN with the Lions, Vikings and Bears... oh my! Monsters of where again? The Purple what? All three of those teams are living off of reputations from a time long, long ago when two of them were barely relevant and the other had a defense that was a flash in the pan. It was so long ago that I could run a mile in combat boots in under 5 minutes. Now I can barely put on my boots without sitting down. Don't get me stahted.

Btw, every time I see Eli's name on some list like that I get sick to my stomach. HTF did the Pats lose to that dope in the SB... TWICE?! As they say, the truth can be a cruel thing.

 

[venecol]

I can't help but wonder if the AB incident is going to result in an irreconcilable divide between Brady and Arians. First you have the head coach quickly and emphatically saying that 'AB is no longer a Buc'. Then you have Tom on the others side taking an opposing stance, passively defending AB, saying that 'we all love and care for him deeply' and that 'I think everyone should be compassionate and empathetic toward some very difficult things'. And of course we know how TB brought AB into his home, well prior to all this transpiring; he can't be thrilled with Arians' words.


Perhaps I am being a bit extreme, but some might construe Brady's comments to be doubting Arian's decision making, therefore undermining his authority. I don't think it is out of the question for TB to go to the Glazers, perhaps through his agent, and petition for a new head coach in 2022. That may be a moot point; Arians' contract runs through 2022 (with an option for 2023), and he is going to need surgery on his ruptured Achilles tendon. Arians turns 70 a few weeks into the 2022 season. He may be more than willing to walk away with some sort of buyout agreement rather than deal with running the team while simultaneously rehabbing from surgery.

IMO Brady has moved on. Of all people, AB's theatrics in the middle of a game, must've rubbed Brady the wrong way. He's really good at staying focused and keeping outside noise out. After all, he came back from a 14 pt. deficit after AB's stunt. His whole focus will be on getting Perriman, Johnson, Grayson and Bell reps to get them up to speed on what he likes to do. If the Bucs go down, it'll probably be because of their suspect defense.

 

[Guts]

Ya I would have to think after the way he exited he's got his coaches back unless BA was asking him to play hurt but I think now that angle is for his contract and he threw a fit on the sidelines about something else.

AB never said he was hurt from what Arians said in his presser. They had a conversation about something and AB lost it.

 

[1960Pats]

They didn't even kick the ball out of the end zone and let Berrios return it. So ridiculous. With 15 seconds, a TD is not happening from the 25 but a FG is a possibility with just one dumb penalty.

 

[1960Pats]

He has the toe issue.

Please, help save Ferris

 

[1960Pats]

I don’t know. I don’t go in the main forum often these days. It has become the Bill Belichick fan club forum where you are called a fake fan if you still like Brady or critic his highness. I don’t have any pleasure posting there anymore. That could change in the futur though

It's a strange, strange world we live in.

I will never get over the huge blunder that Bob/Bill made but I'd still pull for the team over Brady, any day and twice on Sunday.

 

[1960Pats]

Both posters whose usernames have MAC in it are organizational shills who are very anti tb12.

I find it very easy to recognize the trolls.

I find them very similar to slow players in golf. I can avoid them but it's more difficult if I get on every tee and hear about them from my playing partners.

 

[amfootball]

IMO Brady has moved on. Of all people, AB's theatrics in the middle of a game, must've rubbed Brady the wrong way. He's really good at staying focused and keeping outside noise out. After all, he came back from a 14 pt. deficit after AB's stunt. His whole focus will be on getting Perriman, Johnson, Grayson and Bell reps to get them up to speed on what he likes to do. If the Bucs go down, it'll probably be because of their suspect defense.

I agree. Brady knows he has an excellent chance at the 2 seed and Tampa has been dominant at home save for the Saints game. If the defense can start clicking, the O will have enough to win with assuming Fournette is back. To me, he is the most important piece for them to get back.