OT: Official 2021 Tompa Bay Gronkaneers Thread

[TB12TheGoat]

keep him on the roster. don't release him.

then again don't listen to anything I say on subjects like this. I'd hire a whole coaching staff and 53 sociopaths on my roster if it gave me the best chance to win

 

[amfootball]

Weird...I was thinking it was a bad call for the exact same reason: that a fumble/return for TD the other way is a lot more likely than a blocked extra point return.

They didn't even kick the ball out of the end zone and let Berrios return it. So ridiculous. With 15 seconds, a TD is not happening from the 25 but a FG is a possibility with just one dumb penalty.

 

[VectorPrime]

Good

 

[Ice_Ice_Brady]

They didn't even kick the ball out of the end zone and let Berrios return it. So ridiculous. With 15 seconds, a TD is not happening from the 25 but a FG is a possibility with just one dumb penalty.

It's so baffling how a team with so much money and analytics can make such stupid decisions. This just happened a few weeks ago.

 

[amfootball]

It's so baffling how a team with so much money and analytics can make such stupid decisions. This just happened a few weeks ago.

They didn't kick that ball out of the end zone either. I mean holy cow. Either kick it out of the end zone or do the squib.

 

[carmelo15]

keep him on the roster. don't release him.

then again don't listen to anything I say on subjects like this. I'd hire a whole coaching staff and 53 sociopaths on my roster if it gave me the best chance to win

same literally would tell him let’s fix this for a month and we don’t have to talk after the super bowl

 

[VectorPrime]

If you look around the league and the craziness with analytics infecting the brains of coaches Arians is NOWHERE near the worst. I mean Harbaugh has basically cost his team 3 games by himself.

 

[Deus Irae]

They didn't even kick the ball out of the end zone and let Berrios return it. So ridiculous. With 15 seconds, a TD is not happening from the 25 but a FG is a possibility with just one dumb penalty.

I'm sure the Colts game, with the kickoff that nearly became a GW TD for the Colts, was still fresh in his mind.

 

[amfootball]

If you look around the league and the craziness with analytics infecting the brains of coaches Arians is NOWHERE near the worst. I mean Harbaugh has basically cost his team 3 games by himself.

The Ravens ... so awful! How about the Bengals yesterday going for it TWICE on 4th instead of kicking the FG with under a minute to play.

 

[TB12TheGoat]

I don't have the point margins, but a simple calculation of 4QC and losses, meaning that technically it's been possible to come back any time you're losing at some point in the 4th quarter (including postseason, and obviously buzzer beaters would be the exception):

4QC / (4QC + Losses)

Brady: 52/126 - 41.3%
Mahomes: 10/25 - 40.0%
Manning: 45/137 - 32.8%
Roethlisberger: 43/134 - 32.1%
Wilson - 28/89 - 31.5%
Stafford: 34/132 = 25.8%
A. Smith: 20/93 = 21.5%
Rivers - 30/143 - 21.0%
E. Manning: 31/152 - 20.4%
Rodgers: 19/94 - 20.2%

And this meets the eye test, too. Rodgers is a fake superstar. You can only write off small percentages to defense, luck, point margin to overcome. And the Packers general rankings don't come even close to supporting this case.

It demonstrates exactly what people say about him, which is that he's an ultimate front runner who puts up big stats when things are easy but lacks the upper level skills/ refuses to take risks when the team needs him most.

"Captain Comeback"...lmfao...it is quite literally the very opposite.

can't stop laughing at the fact he's below Stafford, Smith, Rivers, Manning. the amount of times I've seen the media refer to Rodgers as the comeback king or captain comeback is insane

 

[amfootball]

I'm sure the Colts game, with the kickoff that nearly became a GW TD for the Colts, was still fresh in his mind.

They why not kick the ball out of the end zone on the kick-off??

 

[VectorPrime]

Last night Kingsbury went for 2 FOR NO REASON, didn’t get it, and a quarter later was only up 3 points while the Cowboy had the ball back.

 

[RicoG]

Who cares? Brady has 7 SB, Rodgers has 1.

everybody on earth, except Rodgers fan club, acknowledged that Brady is the greatest football player ever and Rodgers is just a stat padder. He can’t win because he is more interested in his rating than winning.

But but Rodgers is the Best of all time.

 

[VectorPrime]

Who cares? Brady has 7 SB, Rodgers has 1.

everybody on earth, except Rodgers fan club, acknowledged that Brady is the greatest football player ever and Rodgers is just a stat padder. He can’t win because he is more interested in his rating than winning.

Still want Brady to have more MVPs over him.

 

[SHOWTIME15]

I don't have the point margins, but a simple calculation of 4QC and losses, meaning that technically it's been possible to come back any time you're losing at some point in the 4th quarter (including postseason, and obviously buzzer beaters would be the exception):

4QC / (4QC + Losses)

Brady: 52/126 - 41.3%
Mahomes: 10/25 - 40.0%
Manning: 45/137 - 32.8%
Roethlisberger: 43/134 - 32.1%
Wilson - 28/89 - 31.5%
Stafford: 34/132 = 25.8%
A. Smith: 20/93 = 21.5%
Rivers - 30/143 - 21.0%
E. Manning: 31/152 - 20.4%
Rodgers: 19/94 - 20.2%

And this meets the eye test, too. Rodgers is a fake superstar. You can only write off small percentages to defense, luck, point margin to overcome. And the Packers general rankings don't come even close to supporting this case.

It demonstrates exactly what people say about him, which is that he's an ultimate front runner who puts up big stats when things are easy but lacks the upper level skills/ refuses to take risks when the team needs him most.

"Captain Comeback"...lmfao...it is quite literally the very opposite.

Not sure if I trust your numbers...Brady only has 42 fourth quarter comebacks, including postseason. One behind Peyton...also, a fourth quarter comeback in SB 42 and 46 would have been nice - Brady had the ability to do it too.

NFL Fourth Quarter Comebacks Career Leaders (since 1950) | Pro-Football-Reference.com

1. Tom Brady (46), 2. Peyton Manning (43), 3. Ben Roethlisberger (41), 4. Matthew Stafford (39), 5. Matt Ryan (38),

www.pro-football-reference.com

 

[Deus Irae]

They why not kick the ball out of the end zone on the kick-off??

Your kicker has to have the leg for it.

 

[Deus Irae]

Last night Kingsbury went for 2 FOR NO REASON, didn’t get it, and a quarter later was only up 3 points while the Cowboy had the ball back.

Analytics.



The problem is that Analytics without context gets you beat. We're seeing that all over the place.

 

[amfootball]

Your kicker has to have the leg for it.

They were doing kicks out of the end zone yesterday. It was maddening. If the can't get it there then at least kick it to the up man so the best returner on the team does not get a chance to burn you with the game on the line. I mean this is coaching 101.

 

[RicoG]

I am not convinced that rodgers has this secured yet. What Brady did yesterday with ABs meltdown was the most impressive win of the year on the road. Got him to 40 TDs and 10 yards shy of 5000. We will see what happens next week but with Rodgers most likely sitting, Brady has a chance to really make a push the final week. The award often times comes down to the final 2 weeks.

I'll be shocked if Rodgers sits the whole game. It's unnecessary with the bye. I think he'll play a half.

 

[TB12TheGoat]

Brady has ****ty luck when it comes to INT’s. he has a lower turnover worthy play % than Rodgers