OT: Official 2021 Tompa Bay Gronkaneers Thread

[Pats1971]

Yeah, it's tough to give an argument against that. As long as the talent is acknowledged, as well as the fact that he spent his career playing in the suckfest that is the Lions, there's really not much more that can be said in his defense right now. It's nut cutting time for Stafford.

and that is it in a nutshell there are no excuses this year. He went to a great team who was already a superbowl contender with a bad QB and that team got loaded even more. With all the money they pushed down the road, this is it, if he cannot win it all with this, then maybe he just cant.

 

[SHOWTIME15]

This was a big thing for you last year about the Bucs.

Matthew Stafford: Record against winning teams

When Matthew Stafford entered the NFL as the first overall pick in 2009, the Detroit Lions were in a deep rebuild. Over the years, Stafford evolved into one of the league’s most talented and toughest

www.sportsandfitnessdigest.com

Every QB will struggle to win even .500, but this is almost impossibly low. In Detroit, he was 66-23 in games against teams that didn’t finish with a winning record. Before dismissing this as something about the Lions, etc, consider just how gigantic that split is:

66-23
8-67

Nowhere near the norm. It’s the closest stat that exists for evidence of a front runner who consistently crumbles against higher competition. This guy points out that this year is the same story.

Deadspin | Matthew Stafford is still the same QB he was in Detroit

Deadspin | Matthew Stafford is still the same QB he was in Detroit

deadspin.com

Unquestionably, he has not had a HOF career with the Lions. But you can't throw Stafford under a bus simply because of what he did in Detroit. Detroit is THE WORST NFL franchise of the past 60 years. The guy in the article you posted about him being the "same ole Stafford" focused on two games and conveniently forgot the Bucs game. In the past he never would have beaten a Tampa-quality team. I'm not saying he's going to flip the switch and become a new Stafford in the playoffs, but I'm willing to give him time to prove himself.

 

[SHOWTIME15]

So Brady has to win a superbowl with nobody else on the field? Interesting concept. I guess I can make a case for every NFL QB ever being all timers just on the wrong team then. By the way, you said nobody compared him to Brady, when you literally compared him to Brady in the post in a brady forum. Before you call someone names, at least make sure you didnt actually do what you said you didnt.

I never said Stafford was in the same stratosphere as Brady. Stop lying.

You act as if Brady wins football games by himself and when it's clear as day Stafford hasn't had quality teams around him you blame him.

 

[Pats1971]

Unquestionably, he has not had a HOF career with the Lions. But you can't throw Stafford under a bus simply because of what he did in Detroit. Detroit is THE WORST NFL franchise of the past 60 years. The guy in the article you posted about him being the "same ole Stafford" focused on two games and conveniently forgot the Bucs game. In the past he never would have beaten a Tampa-quality team. I'm not saying he's going to flip the switch and become a new Stafford in the playoffs, but I'm willing to give him time to prove himself.

Actually Tampa Bay is the worst franchise by win totals, but that was a super team when Brady got there I guess, but anyway. A great enough QB will make a team the best they can be no matter what the situation is.

 

[SHOWTIME15]

Actually Tampa Bay is the worst franchise by win totals, but that was a super team when Brady got there I guess, but anyway. A great enough QB will make a team the best they can be no matter what the situation is.

yeah and Tampa had a super bowl prior to last year. Detroit has zero. try again, Bradyite.

 

[Pats1971]

I never said Stafford was in the same stratosphere as Brady. Stop lying.

You act as if Brady wins football games by himself and when it's clear as day Stafford hasn't had quality teams around him you blame him.

You literally brought Brady up in your post on a brady forum. lol You literally act like Brady has to win a game with nobody else on the field or he is not good. I never got that argument. Stafford has had a very quality team around him before and he did nothing. I go by what is, not what you are guessing and making excuses about.

 

[Pats1971]

yeah and Tampa had a super bowl prior to last year. Detroit has zero. try again, Bradyite.

18 years prior. LMAO Since that time they never won a playoff game. Lions did. There have been QB's that you add to a team and they become an amazing form of what they are, and some QB's dont do this. He didnt do that. Lions were bad with him and without him. Rams are a good team with him and without him.

 

[SHOWTIME15]

You literally brought Brady up in your post on a brady forum. lol You literally act like Brady has to win a game with nobody else on the field or he is not good. I never got that argument. Stafford has had a very quality team around him before and he did nothing. I go by what is, not what you are guessing and making excuses about.

Bringing Brady up does not mean I am saying the two are comparable QBs.

 

[Ice_Ice_Brady]

Unquestionably, he has not had a HOF career with the Lions. But you can't throw Stafford under a bus simply because of what he did in Detroit. Detroit is THE WORST NFL franchise of the past 60 years. The guy in the article you posted about him being the "same ole Stafford" focused on two games and conveniently forgot the Bucs game. In the past he never would have beaten a Tampa-quality team. I'm not saying he's going to flip the switch and become a new Stafford in the playoffs, but I'm willing to give him time to prove himself.

I agree you can pin some of that on Detroit.

And sure, he could win when it matters. He’s been impressive so far this season and has always had the talent.

But jeez…that record is really freaking notable. It’s hard to say “it’s the Lions” when those same Lions were 66-23 against average/below average teams during in the same stretch. The fact is, the normal split is way, way apart from what you’d normally see in a QB record.

The Rams are a really talented team. It will be interesting to see if they can offload the mental pressure from Stafford in the postseason. When the competition levels out and he doesn’t have huge advantages, a stellar running game, etc. is he a guy who can elevate them? Betting on no. Not certain though.

 

[SHOWTIME15]

I agree you can pin some of that on Detroit.

And sure, he could win when it matters. He’s been impressive so far this season and has always had the talent.

But jeez…that record is really freaking notable. It’s hard to say “it’s the Lions” when those same Lions were 66-23 against average/below average teams during in the same stretch. The fact is, the normal split is way, way apart from what you’d normally see in a QB record.

The Rams are a really talented team. It will be interesting to see if they can offload the mental pressure from Stafford in the postseason. When the competition levels out and he doesn’t have huge advantages, a stellar running game, etc. is he a guy who can elevate them? Betting on no. Not certain though.

I don't want to derail this thread more than I already have. If Nick Foles, Eli, 2015 Peyton, and Flacco can win SBs, so can Matt Stafford.

 

[Ice_Ice_Brady]

I don't want to derail this thread more than I already have. If Nick Foles, Eli, 2015 Peyton, and Flacco can win SBs, so can Matt Stafford.

Is that really the point you’re trying to make? Why stop at Stafford then? Anyone can win a Super Bowl. It’s possible. I even said Stafford could.

 

[SHOWTIME15]

Is that really the point you’re trying to make? Why stop at Stafford then? Anyone can win a Super Bowl. It’s possible. I even said Stafford could.

I wasn't arguing with you per se. It was more Amfootball.

 

[Guts]

Pretty simple. Stafford is a good QB in a stacked team. No excuses for him this year he has to at the minimum get to the Championship Game.

 

[RicoG]

Pretty simple. Stafford is a good QB in a stacked team. No excuses for him this year he has to at the minimum get to the Championship Game.

That starts with getting a top 3 seed for home field advantage and avoid playing the other top teams in the Bucs, Packers, Cards, and Cowboys in the 1st round.

Bucs with their soft schedule, should be at worst at the #3 seed.

 

[RicoG]

Bucs started the trend of top ranked teams losing. Most of them lost last week.

Ravens are continuing the trend this week. Looking at the schedule, there are some vulnerable teams.

Bills are vulnerable as the Jets are better with White then Wilson.
Cowboys are up against a hot Mat Ryan.
Packers have to face a returning Wilson.
Rams vs 49rs. I keep on expecting JG to rediscover his magic of winning even when he isn't playing great.

 

[1960Pats]

What's with the coMVP with Manning and Steve McNair in 2003? Can anyone add some context?

For some reason the NYFL ignored their usual method that year and gave McNair a piece of the pie.

 

[1960Pats]

Day has been perfect so far. Now need Packers, Cards, and Rams to lose.

Last week was a very strange week in the AFC vs NFC battle. After trailing by 5 games the AFC took 7 of 8 against the NFC and are now leading the season series. What makes it even stranger is that Dal, Min, Car, Phi, GB, Chi and the Rams all lost to AFC teams and the only NFC team to win was the crappy Giants.

 

[1960Pats]

Well Lamar had a great game and a big comeback. Tomorrow they'll be talking about him being the new MVP favorite. Anyone but Brady it seems.

Lamar solved that problem for Brady a few days later by playing like crap vs Miami.
Brady often forces the issue with his play and he's having an astounding season so far.

 

[1960Pats]

Why is Josh Allen still either #1 or #2 in MVP odds?

• The Bills are 5-3, despite having the best defensive DVOA in the league
• His passer rating is 97.1 (107 last year); his ANY/A is 6.85 (7.82 last year). He’s close to average in both categories.
• He failed 3/3 times to win close games.
• He’s averaging about 40 rushing yards/game, and has 3 total TD runs to add to his 17 TD passes, for 20 total.

Allen runs too much.

 

[DropKickFlutie]

This was a big thing for you last year about the Bucs.

Matthew Stafford: Record against winning teams

When Matthew Stafford entered the NFL as the first overall pick in 2009, the Detroit Lions were in a deep rebuild. Over the years, Stafford evolved into one of the league’s most talented and toughest

www.sportsandfitnessdigest.com

Every QB will struggle to win even .500, but this is almost impossibly low. In Detroit, he was 66-23 in games against teams that didn’t finish with a winning record. Before dismissing this as something about the Lions, etc, consider just how gigantic that split is:

66-23
8-67

Nowhere near the norm. It’s the closest stat that exists for evidence of a front runner who consistently crumbles against higher competition. This guy points out that this year is the same story.

Deadspin | Matthew Stafford is still the same QB he was in Detroit

Deadspin | Matthew Stafford is still the same QB he was in Detroit

deadspin.com

Good useful stat. 8-67 is really damning. Can't beat anyone good. He might have a good statistical year but against a good playoff defense may choke.