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Well said.I'm disappointed that I was wrong, not because I feel personally wronged by Tom Brady, but because what he did was lousy.
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CLICK HERE to Register for a free account and login for a smoother ad-free experience. It's easy, and only takes a few moments.Well said.I'm disappointed that I was wrong, not because I feel personally wronged by Tom Brady, but because what he did was lousy.
Tampering is against the rules but every team does it so the Patriots are not more guilty or more innocent than anyone else. Its pretty much a league wide thing. Kind of like stealing signals. The Pats did do that. So did multiple other teams. I've never tried to give Brady a pass in this. The most I've done is try to explain his mind set."Im not posting this stuff to try and expose the Pats as cheaters... but its exactly what I'm implying..."
Jesus ... Man, you are jumping thru every hoop, posting every bit of innuendo you can find trying to prove beyond a doubt that the Patriots have tampered with players in the hopes that it absolves Tamper Brady ...
Guess what - it doesn't. Tom Brady made a shi tty play in talking with the lieami dolphins multiple times over the course of 2019.
Nothing you say can or will make it alright because "we (maybe) did it too"
Tampering is against the rules but every team does it so the Patriots are not more guilty or more innocent than anyone else. Its pretty much a league wide thing. Kind of like stealing signals. The Pats did do that. So did multiple other teams. I've never tried to give Brady a pass in this. The most I've done is try to explain his mind set.
Please list all of the players you can confirm were tampered with all season long while in the last year of their contract.Tampering is against the rules but every team does it so the Patriots are not more guilty or more innocent than anyone else. Its pretty much a league wide thing. Kind of like stealing signals. The Pats did do that. So did multiple other teams. I've never tried to give Brady a pass in this. The most I've done is try to explain his mind set.
How would you have any clue what Tom Brady’s mindset was?Tampering is against the rules but every team does it so the Patriots are not more guilty or more innocent than anyone else. Its pretty much a league wide thing. Kind of like stealing signals. The Pats did do that. So did multiple other teams. I've never tried to give Brady a pass in this. The most I've done is try to explain his mind set.
Look it. Its obvious you don't like Brady and I do. And you don't to the degree that you think he had zero justification to be unhappy or hurt that he was being led to pasture when he still was an elite talent and in his mind would be for years to come. I actually understand BB being skeptical of that because no one ever has done what Brady has. At the same time try step in Brady's shoes. Shoes that were worn by the most obsessed perfectionist player anyone has ever seen. Imagine that mindset and try not to be surprised that he responded to another team that to him might just believed in him more. Now you can just dismiss that and go to a lazy Brady's just greedy and selfish if you want. Up to you.
explain his mindset?
pardon me, i think you mean excuse his behavior.
If anyone has proof that Brady's conversations with Miami effected the scoreboard or the team's winning percentage in 2019 then I'd like to see it. Otherwise why all the complaining?"Im not posting this stuff to try and expose the Pats as cheaters... but its exactly what I'm implying..."
Jesus ... Man, you are jumping thru every hoop, posting every bit of innuendo you can find trying to prove beyond a doubt that the Patriots have tampered with players in the hopes that it absolves Tamper Brady ...
Guess what - it doesn't. Tom Brady made a shi tty play in talking with the lieami dolphins multiple times over the course of 2019.
Nothing you say can or will make it alright because "we (maybe) did it too"
The proof?If anyone has proof that Brady's conversations with Miami effected the scoreboard or the team's winning percentage in 2019 then I'd like to see it. Otherwise why all the complaining?
A 53 million dollar contract isn’t being put out to pasture.Look it. Its obvious you don't like Brady and I do. And you don't to the degree that you think he had zero justification to be unhappy or hurt that he was being led to pasture when he still was an elite talent and in his mind would be for years to come. I actually understand BB being skeptical of that because no one ever has done what Brady has. At the same time try step in Brady's shoes. Shoes that were worn by the most obsessed perfectionist player anyone has ever seen. Imagine that mindset and try not to be surprised that he responded to another team that to him might just believed in him more. Now you can just dismiss that and go to a lazy Brady's just greedy and selfish if you want. Up to you.
Your point is well taken. I would ask you to go through the same exercise from the point of view of Brady. If I were fortunate to be in his shoes, I would be furious with BB and the pats organization. Not only did he put massive effort and energy into being the GOAT leader and QB leading to 6 super bowls, but along the way he repeatedly agreed to take below market deals to help the pats with team building.Folks defending Brady and dismissing his actions as harmless should engage in a simple exercise:
Ask yourself how you would perceive this situation - a player under contract with their current team engaging in specific, detailed, and ongoing contract discussions with a division rival over the course of 4-6+ months, beginning during training camp and continuing throughout the entirety of the regular and post season - if that player was Aaron Rodgers.
I'd be curious what thoughts and feelings such a scenario would evoke. Perhaps I'm wrong, but my sense is that Rodgers would be (rightfully) lambasted by nearly poster here, and if this hypothetical scenario had happened during the year 2015, for instance, I'd imagine there would be a frequent narrative along the lines of: "Can you imagine Brady doing THIS type of thing? Sleazy backdoor meetings on yachts? Throwing in the towel on his current team? No way! That's what sets him apart from Rodgers, that's what makes Brady the GOAT, that's the mentality, discipline, and outlook that makes him so good! Brady has character. Rodgers is an ego-driven diva who only cares about himself."
And I'd agree with that; I'd be one of the people saying those things because I think that's all true. If you have presented me with this situation as a hypothetical, before it happened, and asked me if Brady would be above doing this type of thing, I would have said "yes, he is". I'm disappointed that I was wrong, not because I feel personally wronged by Tom Brady, but because what he did was lousy.
It has nothing to do with his "justification to be unhappy"... It has nothing to do with the dollar amount... And if anyone is being intellectually lazy its you..Look it. Its obvious you don't like Brady and I do. And you don't to the degree that you think he had zero justification to be unhappy or hurt that he was being led to pasture when he still was an elite talent and in his mind would be for years to come. I actually understand BB being skeptical of that because no one ever has done what Brady has. At the same time try step in Brady's shoes. Shoes that were worn by the most obsessed perfectionist player anyone has ever seen. Imagine that mindset and try not to be surprised that he responded to another team that to him might just believed in him more. Now you can just dismiss that and go to a lazy Brady's just greedy and selfish if you want. Up to you.
Bull sh it.TB12 deserves ongoing respect and admiration for the joy he brought to us former long suffering pats fans and not let this understandable human error stain his legacy. Continue to build bridges and repair the damage with him.
The tampering had absolutely zero detriment to the Patriots. explain to me what detriment it had on the patriots?It has everything to do with the prolonged tampering being a severe detriment to the Patriots
Interference with contract negotiations. We know that an offer of ownership was on the table. We know they offered him a chance to play. Brady walks into contract negotiations with the Patriots full well knowing he's got a deal in play in Miami. The negotiations got so far as to include TB12 storefronts at a nationwide health club chain that Ross owns. That ultimately caused Ross to balk, which eventually killed the deal. But one has to ask how far down the road did that become the deal breaker.The tampering had absolutely zero detriment to the Patriots. explain to me what detriment it had on the patriots?
1) Brady’s play and attitude were clearly affected by itThe tampering had absolutely zero detriment to the Patriots. explain to me what detriment it had on the patriots?
The tampering had absolutely zero detriment to the Patriots. explain to me what detriment it had on the patriots?
Because your question was garbage!I didn't get the answer to my question
Yes you did.I didn't invent the whole thing.
This is a textbook example of making up!I think it's more likely than not the Pats knew of the trouble brewing in Pittsburg and plenty of Pats players had to be aware of Blount's feelings about landing back here. I thinks its unlikely they all kept it a secret from coaches. And It's not a big stretch to imagine that most teams wouldn't want to take a chance on a disgruntled player that walked out on his team. Nor is it a big stretch to imagine him being welcome back here especially since he was a good teammate here and his side of the story very may have been communicated to the "lots of guys" Blount said he stayed close to. Of course I cant prove this but why is it so hard to swallow that the Pats would let him know he'd be welcome back here?