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  1. fnordcircle

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    Does anyone know what number Haden is going to wear here for the Pats?
     
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    Well with Brady gone after the trade for Sanchez, I'm thinking 12. No time for sentimentality here.
     
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    You are a bad,bad person
     
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    https://twitter.com/JayGlazer/statuses/318738337773006848

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    Non-sequitor. The Hammer has zero NFL record. And when out of college, nobody wanted him for a first, or a second or even for a third until BB's late 3rd pick. Precisely what has he done since to make him so valuable?
     
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    He's watched Brady play QB for two years. Isn't that worth something?

    I was, of course, joking in my previous post.
     
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    Lets first start by noting that a 3rd pick for a a QB when that team has a hall of famer firmly entrenched is actually a significant investment.

    Then lets understand why he fell to the 3rd round. One of the reasons being he had smoked some pot. Which now gets negated somewhat by a few incident free years.

    Lastly he beat out Brian Hoyer for the number 2 spot on this team. Not a huge feat but really it is the only accomplishment he could have made when we drafted him barring an injury.

    I dont see him has having a huge value but I think assuming a low 2 or a 3 is more than fair given where he was picked and given the QBs in this draft and individual teams opinions one could make a case for a high two.
     
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    The Raiders trading for a QB and not giving up at least one first round pick? I call April Fools.
     
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    2011 QBs drafted

    Newton - decent, but with huge issues
    Locker - sucks
    Gabbert - sucks
    Ponder - sucks
    Dalton - incredibly mediocre
    Kaepernick - still uncertain, but may be the best of the bunch

    Outside of sheer desperation, how do you think you can make a case for a high two about a player who was taken after that group of stiffs and mediocrities?
     
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    I suppose, by comparing Mallett to this year's group of stiffs. Mallett might be an OK temporary fix for some team.

     
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    BB's investment is irrelevant. It's a sunk cost.
    He has gotten some return as you point out, Mallett has served as the backup.

    I agree that a 3 would be a good return this April because in a deep draft that 3 itself could net a decent prospect or alternatively one of the two 3s we'd have could be use to move up our bottom rung 2nd and net a player of choice.
     
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    Have you seen the Brady 6? How could anyone have made those mistakes? In a perfect world what you are saying would be accurate The guys that the pros thought were better than Mallett did not do good so therefore Mallett will not do good. But you know that it is not how it really works, Mallet is his own man and the failures of those selected ahead of him have nothing to do with him at this point in time.

    Again I think the logic for setting Mallets value in round 2 is that he was originally selected in round 3 and has done nothing himself to make you think he cant be worth that and anything positive you can come up with can potentially push him into the 2nd round value. That combined with a weak draft class for QBs and who knows maybe the Browns would give up a high two. Personally I think his value is still in RD 3 but I would not consider it a falling value and if anything its rising which is why I said a low 2 or a 3 was his value.

    and just to be clear when I say low I mean lower in value and not the actual lower number.
     
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    Its relevancy was only as a starting point in value consideration. had there been reasons to think he was not as good as the original investment this would be the starting point to say he is worth a 5 or 6 instead of the 3 but instead he has done nothing to make himself seem worse than originally evaluated and thus I think it fair to assume he is still valued around the starting point if not slightly higher given the minor accomplishments he has made.
     
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    By that logic, Tom Brady should have been a terrible QB.
     
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    He's looked mostly like garbage in limited play time.

    We're talking value, not outcome. You two seem to have confused them.
     
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    For the second time in Belichick's tenure, Belichick used a 3rd for a backup QB. Perhaps, he thinks it important to have a solid backup if Brady is down for 3 or 4 games.

    As far as whether he is worth more now, I don't know how we would judge. As far as being worth what we paid, Mallett is insurance. YOu are very happy NOT to have use it/him. Mallett is serving his purpose for the patriots. If he is traded we will have to find another reasonable backup. If Kafka is the man, we should extend his contract and trade Mallett for anything we can get. I suspect Kafka is not the answer.

     
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    Look for Hoyer to hit the market again this year, hopefully not on late cutdowns again (for his sake). If Palmer's going to Az, Arians will be going with a downfield attack system, much like he's done in Pitt and Indy, and that's not Hoyer's game.
     
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    No confusion just pointing to past facts that show that the outcome doesnt always match the original value and that now 2 years later its OK to re-assess that value.
     
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    Your re-assessment isn't really a reassessment, though. It's a sunshine approach to a clearly biased and rosy opinion.
     
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