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  1. Kdo5

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    What do you mean by mental decline? Does he have dementia or something? I’m sorry but this just sounds like something people say with a lack of explanation since there wasn’t a physical decline.
     
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    You didn’t bother reading the post. I never claimed he had some great season. I am asking for evidence of a physical decline related to age. No one provided any, now they are saying he has mentally declined...whatever that means.
     
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    I saw a QB who's throws were late many times.
    His stats were down for the 3rd straight year.

    Tom Brady Stats | Pro-Football-Reference.com

    There were plenty of bad decisions by him. Ignoring players like WHITE who were wide open. Chatham pointed this out on a regular basis..
     
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    Well I would think that the manifestation of physical decline in an athlete would be his performance wouldn’t you?
    There is also the fact that he missed an enormous amount of practice time.
    There are also the reports of tennis elbow.
    Play ostrich if you want but 43 year old athletes are in a stage of physical decline and that’s just a fact.
     
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    There is also no doubt that brady was significantly more willing to give up on a play to avoid a hit than he used to be. Now that’s smart, because him being injured doesn’t help anyone, but it’s an obvious case of physical decline in that he, himself, knows his body cannot take hits like it used to.
     
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    Again. I’ve made these arguments before. Obviously no one is physically better at age 43 than age 41. But was it physical deteriorating that led to a mediocre season? No and you are providing nothing to prove that point either.
     
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    It’s Blankenship day.
     
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    passer rating under pressure

    2019 51.8 (34th out of 38)
    2018 71.2 (21st)
    2017 96.6 (1st)
    2016 84.9 (5th)

    completion % under pressure

    2019 36.0 (36th)
    2018 45.3 (30th)
    2017 55.5 (3rd)
    2016 47.2 (24th)
     
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    Umm...I don't know what you were talking about. I was answering part of a specific question:

     
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    t was attitude. It went off the cliff when AB got canned. Brady was emotionally done with the year, and it showed in every game.
     
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    50-yard-line Experienced Starter w/First Big Contract

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    Okay, this is just weird. When I went back, five minutes ago, to find my quote, I quoted the post to which I was responding - as in, I found MY quote and copied the one I answered. I have no idea how that happened.
     
  13. Deus Irae

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    Absolutely. Injuries, trades, etc... can all have a major impact.
     
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    Mental decline = decline in processing time. This has been documented in the general population - a 25 year old (when paying attention) will hit his car brakes a split second quicker than a 45 year old in a similar situation. Brady certainly knows all the answers to the test still, but if it takes him longer to reach the answer and he has the same amount of time as before (or even less due to teammate circumstances), he won’t make the right decision in time sometimes.

    I’m not necessarily saying I buy it, but that’s what they’re referring to. It could be true, or maybe not; unfortunately I’m not good enough at this type of scouting to tell.
     
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    This is probably the best evidence of a mental decline that I’ve seen; this is exactly where it would show up, in what’s been a historical strength of Brady’s. While there are certainly other factors that play into the specific statistics - many hot reads in 2019 not being good enough to create separation or even make the right read period - that doesn’t explain it all.
     
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    It looks like it correlates pretty strongly to worse options at receiver. Inability to get separation, running wrong routes, the option for quick, effective dump offs (James White) faded when corners were stuck on him.

    We'll see.
     
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    Yup, that’s definitely a part of it. It’s just a question of what percentage - nearly all of it, or just some of it. Personally I still thought Brady was a top 5 QB last year, but maybe my eyes were just missing something.
     
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    One big question about how the best guys integrated more quickly has to be whether that was at least partly Brady picking winners? We all know how he will freeze out those who he doesn’t like or loses confidence in. That of course works to their detriment, stunts their development and denies them opportunities to show their stuff and work their way back into his good graces. How much does the opposite effect occur, and his distribution of passes favor those he likes throwing to and end up giving them more chances faster, accelerating their development and show their stuff?
     
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    Actually, that's great evidence of supporting personnel decline.
     
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    Let's not pretend that ****ing scrub Marshall Newhouse had nothing to do with this. A ****ing inflatable tube man from a car dealership would provide more resistance then he did a season ago at OL, not mention Mason's injury, Andrews blood clots, Cannon playing hurt per the norm, and the lack of separation or general stupidity of the receivers (Dorsett specifically).
     

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