DRAFT Official Draft Day LIVE Discussion Thread - Night 2

[Ring 6]

I hoping we use both in various ways. Keene is a demon in space. A little muscle could go a long way to helping him square up ane sustain inline. He's not bad or poor. I think he can be a good enough inline blocker and + stalk blocker/blocking in space. He has some dog to him. Some nasty. He'll play past the whistle. Effort is ++ and has decent size around 250. That's half the battle. Lets get him in a program, practice for a year and I think he's a good player.

I'm not looking for Gronk & Hernandez.

I'm looking for + blocking all around from different positions. 375-500 yards/5-7 TDs. If they can do that from different positions the picks are hits.

I’m not saying I’m looking for Gronkowski or Hernandez either I’m talking about which role they fit.
If I get your answer correctly they would be competing for a job and either could be TE1.
If we were to run a 2 TE offense I would see asiasi as the the traditional TE and Keene as the move te/hback.
Would you agree or no?

 

[manxman2601]

If Keene has the upside that Kyed mentioned, then he was a steal at the end of the 3rd round. That being said. I'd be happy if both turn into solid players for the next 4 years.

That’s all we need. We can upgrade when the right player comes along.

 

[DaBruinz]

First one was dead even in assigned value.

Umm.. We weren't talking about Trade Value. He was comparing the talents of the two sets of TEs..

Keene is slightly taller and slightly faster than Asiasi. Compared Gronk being 6'6 264 to the other's 6'2- 245

 

[Kdo5]

Honest question which of the 12 wins last year would have been losses with average Qb play?

If we had a lesser QB they’d have been throwing pick sixes because our OL couldn’t block for ****. Brady throw aways were actually effective in protecting wins. He sacrificed stats to ensure ugly wins.

 

[sb1]

Honest question which of the 12 wins last year would have been losses with average Qb play?

None of them of course. I bet Cassel in his prime would have won 12 with that team. Maybe Hoyer too.

Maybe one day this season we’ll move on and stop being sore about Tampa Tommy leaving town. If he was good last year maybe Bill would have done a little more to keep him around. Or not. Who knows and who cares.

 

[Redman443]

 

[DaBruinz]

...Meanwhile, RT is STILL a complete feckin mess, our WRs are STILL the feckin WORST in the Entire Feckin League, and Fat Thor STILL Feckin Sucks...Over-drafts at every ... single ... feckin ... pick, and Anal Rapes Aplenty on the trade-ups, which now leave us with Zero 4th-rounders tomorrow...Thanks for giving us a sobering lesson on how Not to run a successful draft Billy, you feckin doddering old feckin fool.

Clearly you've been smoking the cheap stuff because the first trade was even and the one with the Raiders had the Pats at +5.

But please. Continue to rant on like an imbecile.

 

[Ring 6]

If we had a lesser QB they’d have been throwing pick sixes because our OL couldn’t block for ****. Brady throw aways were actually effective in protecting wins. He sacrificed stats to ensure ugly wins.

So any qb who isn’t brady would throw 100 pick 6s and we go 0-16?
Come in answer the question. We had 11 games allowing 14 or less points. How many games would an average qb have won?

 

[Uptown]

 

[Redman443]

They better not draft Fromm. His arm strength is downright terrible. Look how terrible he was in the SEC championship game.

 

[DaBruinz]

RANDY MOSS AND WES WELKER. Enough ****ing said. Stop you are making a massive joke out of yourself.

Sorry, but you're the one making a joke out of yourself. It doesn't matter if a team has Randy Moss and Wes Welker if the QB is getting dumped on his rear-end time and again.. Or the QB can't get them the ball.

But please.. Continue your drunken ranting.. It's fun to laugh at..

 

[Uptown]

 

[sb1]

Vet? Hard to see it but who knows.

 

[skinnydog]

So let’s compare to 2001.
OL light andruzzi woody Compton robinsonrandall
Vs
Wynn Thuney Andrews mason cannon

you will have a hard time convincing me 2001 was better.

RB
Smith Faulk (barely used) Redmond
vs
Michel white burkhead
better now


TE
Wiggins and Rutledge
Vs
The rookies

can the rookies really be worse?

wr
Brown patten Coleman
Vs
Edelman Harry Sanu
Clearly better now

so it’s down to a second year QB We knew nothing about who played well then went on the become the goat Vs a second year an we know nothing about with the only commonality being bb believed he could win with them


Now don’t get me wrong. Winning and WINNING (meaning SBs) are 2 incredibly different things. Many QBs could approximate the GOAT but what makes him the GOAT is making the plays that decide games incredibly more often than anyone else ever.
But to just contend he never had to be the GOAT. We have won many games where brady could have played poorly and we still won. This franchise would have won a lot of games the last 20 years with an average qb it just wouldn’t have won the important ones that turned contender into the greatest dynasty ever.

Seriously? 2001 O-line better was better. Troy Brown had 101 catches and was the leagues’s best punt returner. Patten had 50 or more receptions and was a legit deep threat. Antoine Smith was excellent that year. About 1200 yards. Redmond was a very good 3rd down back as Faulk was energize. Yes, I would take those 2001 TEs over 2020 TEs. This duo might be better someday, but not likely in 2020.

 

[Delicate Genius]

 

[Redman443]

None of them of course. I bet Cassel in his prime would have won 12 with that team. Maybe Hoyer too.

Maybe one day this season we’ll move on and stop being sore about Tampa Tommy leaving town. If he was good last year maybe Bill would have done a little more to keep him around. Or not. Who knows and who cares.

Brady still isnt the same player from 5 years ago

 

[patsrj]

Some good value in the wr left on the board.. Would have to trade up, but maybe people Jones, KJ hill, Hightower, Reed, prouche..

 

[skinnydog]

I will admit that I’ve not studied the players this year and am going on what is being said about them on Twitter and that my giddiness is influenced by not being invested in particular binkies this year.

I think this draft could be something like 2013 where we got Collins-Ryan-Harmon. I would absolutely take that. Three significant contributors is a successful draft.

Well in terms of impact the first 2 picks might exceed that alone.

 

[manxman2601]

 

[skinnydog]

Some good value in the wr left on the board.. Would have to trade up, but maybe people Jones, KJ hill, Hightower, Reed, prouche..

I would like to see them find a way to add Proche.