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  1. Tunescribe

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    Not interested in arguing nonsense with you tonight Andy, sorry. It's late, maybe another time.
     
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  2. Ring 6

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    Yes Irving your logic is in fact nonsense as pointed out by my analogy.
     
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    As the doorknob who laughed at my suggestion that Miami could give the Pats a game last week, your ability to discern logic from nonsense appears questionable at best. I don't know what happened to you in this new incarnation but it's not good.
     
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    Predicting a football game is not a matter of logic.
    Arguing that a player will be good simply because the coach kept him on the roster (which you did) logically means that every player key on the roster would therefore be good. Which we know is not true.
    Unfortunately you react emotionally to logical arguments.
     
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    Or, you know, you could listen to what Bill has actually said about the kid.
     
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    Tunescribe PatsFans.com Supporter PatsFans.com Supporter Weekly Picks Winner

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    So you admit being illogical laughing at my logical assessment that Miami would not be an easy out. Well, that's a step in the right direction!

    Nope, not at all. I never said Stidham will be good, I said the faith BB has shown in him specifically is encouraging.

    :confused: Now you're just being weird.

    That's illogical. Perhaps you should just go back to predicting football games and leave the rest alone. Goodnight, AndyJohnson.
     
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    No. Predicting football games is not logic. Perhaps you should go learn what logic is.
    Yup I disagreed. I wasn’t expecting them to play their worst game of the year. You seem to be delighting in it.

    You made the comments not me, but evidently you are waking them back. Later Irving
     
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    In my opinion, we can move on from some of the aging defensive players (or tag and trade - if everyone else in the league can do it, I wish we would too!) but keep Brady and retool the offense. The defense is young and can adapt. The offense can't really evolve beyond the pieces it's given (as we saw this year). Move Van Noy, we have plenty of young linebackers that we drafted with 3rd, 4th rounders. Even Hightower might not be necessary right now with Bentley behind him.

    Our group of CBs is the key position group on this defense. With them the best in the league and locked up, we have leeway to mess around elsewhere. Harmon, Chung, and even Brooks can pick up the slack for McCourty and we've already been experimenting with others playing safety, such as Jones. I have no concerns over that area. The pass rush is dependent on our secondary. Our guys rarely win 1 on 1 like the premier pass rushers in the league do - it's often stunts up front, coverage sacks, and blitzes. Do we really need expensive pass rush specialists in our linebacker and DL core such as Hightower to do that? - could be something to move on from. The defense was already the oldest this year so it's something that needs to be a tough call situation.

    Keep Brady - his physical skills haven't yet declined, just his decision making has been a bit off. Hopefully it improves in playoffs. OL has been good for 2nd half of season and the running game improved with it. Andrews back and Wynn improving will be big deals. The big area of emphasis is TE - and the FA class is perfect for TE. I'd honestly prefer to go two competent TEs over a big splash like Hooper or Henry. Ebron is young and could be on sale and we would need a second guy to play in front of Izzo next year.

    WRs aren't too bad on paper. Edelman was great this year when considering the entire season. N'Keal Harry and Jakobi Meyers should have extra juice. Those three by themselves aren't a bad trio of WRs - really it's been the complete lack of a TE that doesn't open up any space. Sanu has been a good WR2/WR3 his entire career and I see no reason to start believing that he won't get over his drops problem.

    This isn't a rebuilding year going into next season. It's just a transition. Our team is really old and we have all the young pieces in place (DL we have our 3rd and 4th rounders we drafted 2-3 years ago in Wise, Rivers, etc. for example). But for me, the defense is the area to take from, because there is MORE young talent stuck in backup positions compared to the offense, and since the cornerbacks are locked in.
     
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    For those wishing we kept Brissett, you might get your wish.


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    Indianapolis Colts GM Chris Ballard held his season-ending press conference yesterday and didn’t hold anything back when speaking about some of the team’s more disappointing players.

    When asked about QB Jacoby Brissett, Ballard said, “the jury is still out.” He later added, “Right now, I’ll say Jacoby is our starting quarterback.” Ballard also suggested the passing game needed to improve. Brissett began the season well but struggled down the stretch as the Colts lost seven of their last nine games. Brissett finished as the QB23 for the season.
     
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    MG, where are you getting that number? Does it include cap money spent in subsequent years when Brady's not playing?
     
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    No more "later" with you, AndyJohnson, and no more nonsensical arguments masquerading as "football" discussions. You are a toxic individual who only seeks to agitate and get a rise out of people. Welcome to ignore.
     
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    Wow really hit a nerve. Sorry I’ll remember logic upsets you so you can stay in your safe space.
     
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    You need another “break” from your own self whomever that may be. You appear to be arguing both sides of the coin again.
     
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    Let's see ... 6-foot-3, 215, solid program at Auburn and just 23. Looks like a good developmental prospect!
     
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    Jimmy Garoppolo:

    • 2nd-3rd round prospect
    • great release & NFL accuracy
    • prolific FCS passer
    • undersized
    • played in a simplistic offense
    • pocket awareness needed work

    Jarrett Stidham:

    • 3rd-4th round prospect
    • great arm & NFL accuracy
    • protects the ball (48 TD 13 INT ratio)
    • mobile
    • undersized
    • pocket presence a mess junior year
    Posting since there is some hindsight analysis that Garoppolo was a great prospect & Stidham some late round flier. There difference isn’t that notable as the pats slightly reached on Garoppolo & Stidham fell to them.

    Stidham was my 3rd QB in the draft. If he came out in 2017 he was projected a late 1st-2nd round pick ( Auburn's Jarrett Stidham Is NFL Draft's Early Favorite for QB1). He returned to school & Auburn’s OL was horrible. He developed bad habits that would need awhile in the NFL to correct.

    Who knows if he will be able to play. However, he was a legit NFL prospect who had a great camp & preseason. He threw an INT after picking his nose on the bench. That should override his progress this offseason?
     
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    The last Patriot to wear 4 is headed to the Hall of Fame. Coincidence?
     
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    I don't think there's anyone that wishes we kept Brissett. He didn't seem to fit the offense (fast, precision passing) at all...
     
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    The issue with all this is that the decision on Brady has to be made long, long before anyone can evaluate how much of a "jump" Stidham has made into year 2. I don't think you can just go on projections with the most important position on your team.

    Granted we don't know how Stidham looks in practice as of right now and maybe he has already made a substantial jump from where he was in September.

    No matter from which angle you approach the QB situation you will either have to make a leap of faith either about Brady or about Stidham. Guess it just depends what makes you feel more comfortable.
     
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