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  1. Tunescribe

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    For purposes of discussion:

    The current NFL salary cap is $188 million and is expected to increase by $8 million next year. The Patriots are projected to have $49 million in cap space, which sounds good until you consider that both Indy and Miami will be $100 million under. Also, Buffalo will be $89 million under, Baltimore $48 million, the Jete $53 million, etc. Signing the team's own important free agents and competing in the marketplace will be a challenge.

    Tom Brady's contract is $23 million and retaining him for 2020 likely will be north of that, perhaps significantly. With so many high-profile free agents on the team, aging guys like Edelman, etc. and a brutal schedule, next season is shaping up to be a pivotal retooling campaign no matter what -- perhaps the most "transitional" year of BB's tenure including prospective key front office and coaching departures (Caserio, McDaniels).

    The argument FOR moving on from Brady is strong because: (1) his quality of play no longer is "elite," as in being a prime difference maker, (2) his contract money arguably could be put to better use shoring up other positions, (3) the roster might not be strong enough across the board to benefit from Brady's leadership and experience and (4) the team must establish a new identity to be competitive post-Brady.

    My primary concern is that for Brady to be effective in 2020, he will need a much stronger supporting cast (skill players) than he has now AND a more solid OL in front of him PLUS a strong defense that won't force the offense into playing catch-up -- something vintage Brady was capable of overcoming. With crucial transitional moves looming both organizationally and with player personnel, accomplishing that appears doubtful. Last year the pieces were in place for Brady, this year they COULD have been if not for bad luck (injuries, AB fiasco). Next year, things look pretty nebulous.
     
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  2. Gwedd

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    I'd also be interested in what Jonathon Kraft's thoughts are on these issues, and his idea of where he wants to go with the team. Let's not forget that prosecutors down to Flor-i-duh have dropped any pretense to a misdemeanor plea and are now talking felony count(s) against Robert Kraft. They want a scalp, and his is the biggest, plus if they win they get bragging rights, yadda yadda yadda. What that means is that daddy might be going to prison, and that leaves Jonathon in charge. Maybe permanently.

    So the owner's thoughts are really what will be driving the draft, resignings, trades, etc. Robert Kraft always wanted awinning program. Jonathon might be more interested in a tax write-off.

    So yeah, it's time to contemplate the team post-Brady, and perhaps even post Belichick. But that has to start with what the owner wants. Sigh. :(
     
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    Excellent and important point bringing up ownership perspective. Certainly, Robert is in the twilight of his tenure running things. From what I've observed about Jonathan, he seems very bright and passionate about keeping the Patriots a first-class winning franchise. I think there's reason for optimism on that front.
     
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    I think as fans we are gonna have to get ready for a bit of a rebuild. Lots of aging expensive talent and contracts coming up.

    Unfortunately I think Brady plays his last 2 seasons for the Chargers. It makes sense for him. Huge market to expand TB12, home state, good offensive talent,

    The Pats likely lose the McCourty’s and KVN on D, and if Brady’s gone I can see Josh McDaniels and Caserio leaving to take over a team like the Browns. I could also see Brady pushing for Josh in L.A.

    That all spells rebuild. Try and get a decent pick from the Chargers for Edelman. Push for a 3rd but settle for a 4th. Resign Thuney and roll with Stidham to see what we have.

    Draft focus is TE, WR, OL and Safety
     
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    I see it the other way around. I think McDaniels really is leaving this time and him not being here any more will be a big incentive for Brady to retire or leave.
     
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    Yes...probably we are now so near to an overall changement...let s hope for the best and cross the fingers...

    Would be awesome to finish the run with the best possible result
     
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    If this is Brady's final year with the Patriots, I could see him going to the Chargers with McDaniels or retiring. I don't see him going to another team without McDaniels but it won't be Cleveland or another team with an established QB.
     
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    Brady needs multiple receivers ( wr or te, not rb) who can consistently beat man inside the #s, inside 10 yards from LOS. Right now he has perhaps one and he's injured and getting old.
    If Bill is not 100% he can find such, it's time to say goodbye. Use whatever cap savings to build the team around Stidham under his rookie contract.
     
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    He needs receivers who can stretch the field opening things up for possession guys.
     
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    The 24th pick with no #2 ain’t enough to fix so many holes.
    Spending big money on vets with so much tread worn off their tires seems futile

    Blow it up, sell assets, tank, retool.

    It was a grand era
    Let’s start building the next
    Let another team fund Brady’s twilight years
     
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    Agreed except for tanking. There's no compelling argument for tanking in the NFL.
     
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    Not the smartest move financially or for the future of the team, but I'm paying Brady until he decides to retire.
     
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    Depends what he's willing to play for.

    $20M would put him about 20th in the league. If he were willing to do that (remembering there could be a step down at any time) then I think the Patriots might play along. If he wants $30M (Matt Ryan is currently 6th at $30M) then he'll probably need to look for that elsewhere. Last offseason he wanted a multi year deal. Would you do 2 years, $50M with a lot guaranteed in that age 44 year? I think that would get it done on Brady's side; I doubt Belichick would sign up for that.
     
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    Keep in mind that money could be used elsewhere if Brady moves on and could be significant in keeping the team competitive, assuming Stidham is competent. The gap in ability to move the offense between an aging Brady and an athletic, strong-armed smart youngster is narrowing -- something you couldn't say two years ago.
     
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    I think it’s a moot point. I am guessing that BB doesn’t want him back for $20m or $30m.
     
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    There is nothing at all to back this up.
     
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    I could see a scenario where McDaniels bolts for CLE, then Brady retires, so Belichick retires and we don't even re-sign Antonio Brown.
     
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    alvinnf In the Starting Line-Up

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    There was a huge disservice paid to Brady this year. Offensive line was putrid and the weapons just were not there. The biggest loss in my opinion was gronk. They never replaced him or even 10% of what he brings to pass pro and his threat in the red zone. If I was Brady I wouldn’t want to come back. So is the question wether or not there will be enough money under the cap. There will, because none of it will be getting spent on the goat. He is all done.
     
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    You have no idea what number Brady is willing to play for at New England. Maybe it’s $35m, maybe it’s $20m or anywhere inbetween.
     
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