Discussion in 'PatsFans.com - Patriots Fan Forum' started by Ross12, Jan 19, 2020.
Burn him at the stake!!
I would start the rebuilding process over if Brady is gone. You can trade Edelman for a valuable pick. Oh, and I made a mistake. He'll be 34 when the season starts.
They've got plenty of cap space to fix the problems.
It's really a matter of keeping/replacing Thuney, getting a TE and getting a WR1/WR2. Those are the three elephants in the room. After that, it gets a lot less expensive. The cap space is there.
No, all past history does not suggest that. It actually suggests precisely the opposite.
He's their best receiver
Its essentially going to come down to ego. If they can handle it like they did for last 20 yrs then they might get back together.
Stidham loved Meyers in PS last year, and he and Harry hang together. That might be the biggest reason BB decides to give him a shot.
I know, but I would go with a youth movement. We're not winning the SB with Stidham next year anyway.
Please tell me how Gronk is going to undo the effects of all of his concussions between now and September.
I worry about the defensive free agents
How much of the available cap money will be needed for the defense? I suppose that we cut McCourty (and hope his brother stays) and we could extend Hightower. That's a start.
Brady wanting to experience Free Agency should not be a shock to anyone. I've been calling this since last off-season. He's going to take his sweet team and be catered to. He's going to get the full blown VIP experience by other teams. In reality, hes putting pressure on the Pats. You know some bum team hungry for ticket sales and media relevancy is going to roll out the carpet and offer mega bucks for Brady's time no matter how long or short it maybe. This helps Brady in discussions with the Pats.
Eventually after the tour, Brady + Yee and NE decision makers will sit and go over everything and come up with a contract that makes sense for all. Maybe they won't and our nightmare comes true, nothing is guaranteed.
I dont think Brady is chasing money but at the same time wants to be fairly compensated for his value to team success... Which is still significant.
I think right now - emotions are still running wild from the season so we are getting alot of posturing from both sides. Egos will deflate (no pun intended) and when it comes time to talk shop..a deal will be done.
They have about $30m right now. A quarterback sucks up close to two-thirds of that, maybe a little less with creative accounting. You could maybe create $12.5m with cuts (Sanu, J.McCourty, Develin if he's done, maybe Burkhead and the like but a replacement is just going to cost the same) and maybe another $10m by restructuring Gilmore and Mason.
So you're looking at maybe $32m in cap space post-quarterback (assuming Brady or a veteran), but in this scenario you need to replace Sanu as well. Figure re-signing D.McCourty, Butler Slater, Ebner, Shelton, Bethel, Karras, and Roberts and you're down to maybe $20m.
You still need to replace Thuney and you probably need a linebacker/edge guy to replace Van Noy and Collins and your receiver corps is Edelman, Harry, and Meyers and you need a tight end too.
So you're going to be able to fill maybe two of those holes. Guard seems like the one you can probably skimp on, especially if they do bring Karras back and expect Andrews back at full strength. Getting a top-level receiver with that much space is probably going to be difficult (a 1st for Beckham and you'll be paying $14.5m of that $20m, though you could restructure some of that away). A couple mid-level guys like Robby Anderson and Demarcus Robinson and a tight end like Henry is probably more realistic. That's a better supporting cast than we saw this year, at least, but you're probably relying on the draft or a lottery ticket in free agency for an edge rusher or linebacker and you're counting on Harry and Meyers to progress (which is fine, you sink or swim with your draft picks to some extent).
OK, I'll say it. Your proposed WR/QB combination would be one of the worst in the NFL, even after adding Sanu or a replacement.
We've already discussed this, in the thread you made. Without making any other moves, OTC has the Patriots with about $47m in cap space.
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I don't know where you're getting your number, and the number's not finally set yet, but both OTC and the NFLPA currently have the Patriots at over $40m.
NFL 2020 Salary Cap Tracker
New England Patriots Salary Cap | Over the Cap
Miguel has them at $30m. OTC doesn't account for LTBE incentives and has the lesser Brady cap hit listed. The wild card is Brady's current cap hit since it halves if he's on the roster in 2020 and the rest gets pushed into 2021, but ultimately that money's probably going to be tied up in the quarterback position one way or the other (i.e. if Brady signs an extension, it probably gets taken into account in the extension).
OK, so DI's answer to my question is that we have $47M of cap space available for the defense?
If that’s Wise’s salary next year then send him packing.
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