Jimmy G over 380 yards today (week 15)

[sb1]

NFL Week 16 Power Rankings: Rams Climb To No. 2 After Shredding Seahawks

Steelers should still be #2 IMO but Gurley is a monster. Too bad the Pats won't be seeing him for a few years, I'd be interested to see how BB plans for him.

 

[RelocatedPatFan]

If Belichick honestly believed that JG is the next Steve Young - don't think for a second that they wouldn't have found a way to keep both guys somehow. It seems clear to me he had a different opinion and that's why they chose the 40 year old Brady with only a few years left vs the 26 year old with lots of upside.

IMO.

I think you are all missing the obvious. We trade Brady for a 1st and 2nd next year and sign JG to a new contract.


(and yes that's sarcasm).

I like Jimmy and he could be in a good situation with Kyle Shanahan. So far he looks like the QB we expected to see and I look forward to seeing his development.

 

[Bruins29]

The only way JG would have been able to develop was to let him start. There is a possibility that JG comes back here in a few years with a lot more experience ready to take over. BB did not send him to the Browns. Did JG a major solid.

We keep TB while he is still elite. JG gets to play to develop, We get JG back when TB is no longer playing well enough to start - assuming that ever happens soon.

 

[Off The Grid]

I just wish they got more for him. Another pick if sf resigns him, say.

That's where I'm coming from. The time to make a decision on Jimmy G ~ and therefore the time to trade'm ~ was during the offseason.

Would we've gotten the King's Ransom that was rumored? I don't know. But considering what the likes of Sam Bradford has fetched ~ twice!! ~ I'll bet we could've got a 1st, a 3rd, and change...Oh, well, at least we got Matt Cassell value.

 

[PittPatriot]

Yeahbut... totally failed to develop Rohan Davey. As any April poster will tell you, BB can’t draft for ****.

BB can draft as well as anyone...but certain positions like WR he has historically struggled with. Up until recently, we had a tough time with CB/DB but we seem to have really done well with that department. Perhaps we just expect to much from him. But simply hoping/expecting we draft the next franchise QB could be asking for too much.
As per your comment, it's more than Rohan Davey. Besides Jimmy G and Brissett (he wouldn't be starting for any other team and likely won't start after Colts get Luck or another guy in there), which other successful QB has BB drafted?
I guess Hoyer has some staying power as a backup but a terrible track record as a starter.
Cassell? O'Connell? Mallett? Kingsbury?
We have been lucky with Brady and Jimmy G. But no long term solution after that.

 

[mosi]

Looking forward to seeing how JG does against the Jacksonville D.

 

[Nehalem]

BB can draft as well as anyone...but certain positions like WR he has historically struggled with. Up until recently, we had a tough time with CB/DB but we seem to have really done well with that department. Perhaps we just expect to much from him. But simply hoping/expecting we draft the next franchise QB could be asking for too much.
As per your comment, it's more than Rohan Davey. Besides Jimmy G and Brissett (he wouldn't be starting for any other team and likely won't start after Colts get Luck or another guy in there), which other successful QB has BB drafted?
I guess Hoyer has some staying power as a backup but a terrible track record as a starter.
Cassell? O'Connell? Mallett? Kingsbury?
We have been lucky with Brady and Jimmy G. But no long term solution after that.

Hoyer was an UDFA with 37 career starts. And is probably the only Browns 2.0 QB with a winning record in franchise history.
Cassel was a 7th rounder who has 81 career starts.

Find me one other late round pick or UDFA who has done as well in the last 10 years. Kingsbury was a 6th rounder. So the only real 2 failures were O'Connell and Mallett; both were only 3rd rounders, and O'Connell missed out on the Brady experience.

EDIT to add "Succesful" late rounders and UDFA:

Case Keenum(UDFA)
Tyrod Taylor(6th)
Kirk Cousins(4th)

And if you want to include 3rd rounders
Josh McCown(3rd)
Dak Prescott(3rd) oops he is actually 4th rounder
Russel Wilson(3rd)

 

[40yrpatsfan]

Jimmy G is a rare talent. For those of you that didn't see it while he was here, have fun with your excuses why.

He was in a Rogers/Favre situation here. The Packers were fortunate enough that Favre was breaking down, and also playing games every spring about retiring or not. He opened a door to get kicked to the curb, and GB finally made the move after 3 years of letting Rogers rot on the bench. Incredibly lucky for them, imagine if he'd been traded and Favre broke down or retired a year later.

We weren't so lucky. I'm the biggest Brady supporter of all time, but by not agreeing to a graceful exit after 17 seasons, he now has a debt to continue playing at this level for another 3-4 years. If it's anything less, he screwed us, plain and simple. Cause JG is the second coming.

 

[Nehalem]

Jimmy G is a rare talent. For those of you that didn't see it while he was here, have fun with your excuses why.

He was in a Rogers/Favre situation here. The Packers were fortunate enough that Favre was breaking down, and also playing games every spring about retiring or not. He opened a door to get kicked to the curb, and GB finally made the move after 3 years of letting Rogers rot on the bench. Incredibly lucky for them, imagine if he'd been traded and Favre broke down or retired a year later.

We weren't so lucky. I'm the biggest Brady supporter of all time, but by not agreeing to a graceful exit after 17 seasons, he now has a debt to continue playing at this level for another 3-4 years. If it's anything less, he screwed us, plain and simple. Cause JG is the second coming.

The scary thing is Rodgers took over a team that went 13-3 and ended up 6-10. JG took over a team that was 1-10 and has gone 3-0.

 

[Bruins29]

We weren't so lucky. I'm the biggest Brady supporter of all time, but by not agreeing to a graceful exit after 17 seasons, he now has a debt to continue playing at this level for another 3-4 years. If it's anything less, he screwed us, plain and simple. Cause JG is the second coming.

First, why should he agree to a graceful exit when he is still elite? Second, maybe we fans and the Franchise have a debt to him after all HE has done for us, the city and the team.

Works both ways, unless you arent into that loyalty thing.

Regardless the team is still looking for the next TB and perhaps JG comes back here in a few years when TB decides/or the team decides its time to make a change.

 

[sb1]

Jimmy G is a rare talent. For those of you that didn't see it while he was here, have fun with your excuses why.

He was in a Rogers/Favre situation here. The Packers were fortunate enough that Favre was breaking down, and also playing games every spring about retiring or not. He opened a door to get kicked to the curb, and GB finally made the move after 3 years of letting Rogers rot on the bench. Incredibly lucky for them, imagine if he'd been traded and Favre broke down or retired a year later.

We weren't so lucky. I'm the biggest Brady supporter of all time, but by not agreeing to a graceful exit after 17 seasons, he now has a debt to continue playing at this level for another 3-4 years. If it's anything less, he screwed us, plain and simple. Cause JG is the second coming.

The odds that JG will ever deserve to mentioned in the same sentence as Aaron Rodgers are very very small.

 

[PittPatriot]

First, why should he agree to a graceful exit when he is still elite? Second, maybe we fans and the Franchise have a debt to him after all HE has done for us, the city and the team.

Works both ways, unless you arent into that loyalty thing.

Regardless the team is still looking for the next TB and perhaps JG comes back here in a few years when TB decides/or the team decides its time to make a change.

While we don't have to live on either extreme, I can tell you as a Celtics fan that the 20 years of futility between Finals trips really tested my "loyalty" in the Big 3.

 

[Bruins29]

While we don't have to live on either extreme, I can tell you as a Celtics fan that the 20 years of futility between Finals trips really tested my "loyalty" in the Big 3.

Agree but something tells me that if 2 star players haddent dropped dead this comparison probably wouldnt need to be brought up.

 

[PittPatriot]

Hoyer was an UDFA with 37 career starts. And is probably the only Browns 2.0 QB with a winning record in franchise history.
Cassel was a 7th rounder who has 81 career starts.

Find me one other late round pick or UDFA who has done as well in the last 10 years. Kingsbury was a 6th rounder. So the only real 2 failures were O'Connell and Mallett; both were only 3rd rounders, and O'Connell missed out on the Brady experience.

EDIT to add "Succesful" late rounders and UDFA:

Case Keenum(UDFA)
Tyrod Taylor(6th)
Kirk Cousins(4th)

And if you want to include 3rd rounders
Josh McCown(3rd)
Dak Prescott(3rd) oops he is actually 4th rounder
Russel Wilson(3rd)

I am not quite getting the point you are trying to convey. I do not disagree that serviceable QB's can be found in the late rounds...but it's rare to find a franchise talent.
Brian Hoyer and Cassel are not NFL starting caliber quarterbacks. Their track records proves that. If Hoyer were a winning QB, he would not have had temp stints with almost 1/4 of the NFL. I am not sure what your point is.

 

[Bruins29]

It would have been nice to keep JG but the pats couldnt because of the cap ramifications. Thats it. Its over. There were some other minor reasons too.

Everyone should try to turn the page, move on, get over it. He is not here and not a member of our team.

 

[Nehalem]

I am not quite getting the point you are trying to convey. I do not disagree that serviceable QB's can be found in the late rounds...but it's rare to find a franchise talent.
Brian Hoyer and Cassel are not NFL starting caliber quarterbacks. Their track records proves that. If Hoyer were a winning QB, he would not have had temp stints with almost 1/4 of the NFL. I am not sure what your point is.

My point is the opposite of that. It is extremely hard to find serviceable QBs in late rounds. Essentially all starting QBs are 1st or early 2nd rounders

With the exception of
Case Keenum(UDFA)
Tom Brady(6th)
Tyrod Taylor(6th)
Kirk Cousins(4th)
Dak Prescott(4th)
Josh McCown(3rd) -- he might be injured now
Russel Wilson(3rd)
Jacoby Brisset(3rd)
JG(late 2nd)

I think 9/32 starting QBs are not 1st or early 2nd rounders. 3/9 were selected by BB. And Brian Hoyer, a BB UDFA, was a QB on opening day. And Matt Cassel a BB 7th rounder has 81 career starts.

BB seems exceptional at finding and developing QB talent compared to the rest of the league.

 

[PatsWickedPissah]

I don't believe anyone offered us a 1st or a 1st plus for JAG pre-season.
As a homer I wish we'd gotten a conditional 4th or so in addition to SF's 2nd for him. Surprising to me.
He has exceeded expectations of the other 30 GMs else we would have gotten great offers for him early on.
My concerns about durability are decreasing with play as his injury looks more and more like an outlier. He's a sturdily built guy.
I have no issues comparing him with Saint Aaron's first year of play. Why not? Look at Jimmy's supporting cast.
Couldn't help rooting for him to make a 4th QTR comeback win Sunday even with our pick decreasing. A likable winner.

 

[Deus Irae]

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We weren't so lucky. I'm the biggest Brady supporter of all time, but by not agreeing to a graceful exit after 17 seasons, he now has a debt to continue playing at this level for another 3-4 years. If it's anything less, he screwed us, plain and simple. Cause JG is the second coming.

Obviously not, or you wouldn't have made such a ridiculous post denigrating him.

 

[Kdo5]

Jimmy G is a rare talent. For those of you that didn't see it while he was here, have fun with your excuses why.

He was in a Rogers/Favre situation here. The Packers were fortunate enough that Favre was breaking down, and also playing games every spring about retiring or not. He opened a door to get kicked to the curb, and GB finally made the move after 3 years of letting Rogers rot on the bench. Incredibly lucky for them, imagine if he'd been traded and Favre broke down or retired a year later.

We weren't so lucky. I'm the biggest Brady supporter of all time, but by not agreeing to a graceful exit after 17 seasons, he now has a debt to continue playing at this level for another 3-4 years. If it's anything less, he screwed us, plain and simple. Cause JG is the second coming.

Why on Earth should Brady make a 'graceful exit' while he is continuing to play at the top of his game, is the league MVP and is the favorite to win the Super Bowl this year and likely next season?

He owes us NOTHING. He continues to win us games and championships. In fact it is YOU who owe him for spoiling you as a Patriots fan. Your post is totally idiotic and disrespectful.

Some of you really deserve to root for the Cleveland Browns for being so ungrateful.

 

[Deus Irae]

My point is the opposite of that. It is extremely hard to find serviceable QBs in late rounds. Essentially all starting QBs are 1st or early 2nd rounders

With the exception of
Case Keenum(UDFA)
Tom Brady(6th)
Tyrod Taylor(6th)
Kirk Cousins(4th)
Dak Prescott(4th)
Josh McCown(3rd) -- he might be injured now
Russel Wilson(3rd)
Jacoby Brisset(3rd)
JG(late 2nd)

I think 9/32 starting QBs are not 1st or early 2nd rounders. 3/9 were selected by BB. And Brian Hoyer, a BB UDFA, was a QB on opening day. And Matt Cassel a BB 7th rounder has 81 career starts.

BB seems exceptional at finding and developing QB talent compared to the rest of the league.

The QB "lower round!" issue is always going to be misleading because:

• The position is always over drafted, with QBs going much higher than they would at any other position.
• Lower round draftees don't get the opportunities that lower round draftees at other positions get, thus lowering the chances of those draftees getting developed.
• Teams with good QBs (nevermind teams with great QBs) don't generally spend high round picks on QBs, and for good reason, which means that lower level QBs usually don't get to learn from quality starters in front of them.
• Lower round QBs don't generally get as long a leash for development once put in as starters
• Lower round QBs are more likely to be drafted as system fits, meaning they may not translate when new coaches come in, or when the QB moves on to a new team.

Good teams that have taken the time to develop lower round picks at the position have had some pretty good returns, though that hasn't always translated when the developed player moved on to a new system. Three of the more obvious examples:

49ers (Bono, Garcia)
Packers (Flynn, Brunell)
Patriots (Brady, Cassel, Hoyer, JAG)