If you were Kraft and this season doesn’t improve, do you move on from Bill after this season?

[mike_usagisan]

Brady wanted a contract extension in 2017 following 28-3. We know this. He didn’t get one.

Brady wanted a contract extension in 2018 following Super Bowl 52, which by the way occurred AFTER both Jimmy G and Jacoby were gone. We know this. He didn’t get one. Instead he was offered a year of INCENTIVES. Meanwhile Belichick tried to TRADE GRONK TO THE LIONS (and first year head coach and BUDDY Matty P) until Brady essentially threatened to demand a trade too.

Brady wanted a contract extension in 2019 following Super Bowl 53 when Brian Hoyer was the only other QB on the roster. We know this. He didn’t get one. At this point that summer Brady finally realized he was never getting a new contract and began looking elsewhere.

Belichick completely blew it and has now been exposed as a fraud.

Please stop. We get it. This is about now.

 

[Rob0729]

In this very hypothetical scenario (I do like where you went here) do you believe Griese is ready to step up and do all of the things a HC is supposed to do? Lead men, hire a staff etc?

Yeah, he is a bit green in experience. Not worried about leadership aspect since he is a former QB. I am sure he has that down. That would also help him quite a bit with the playbook aspect.

But to be perfectly honest, I haven't spent a lot of time thinking about who I might want as the next head coach. He was just the first guy who came to mind because of where he is coaching.

 

[StockingAnarchyNumber12]

Bill is gonna be 72 next year. You have to wonder what's his end game.

I think he will leave this team after this year and coach for two seasons on another team just for the all time win record

 

[Joey007]

BB is still the best in the biz. You hear it all the time from players of all experience levels how spending time with BB drastically changes their game. It’s why we don’t have very many players leave and become better than they were here.

Every team that is good right now sucked for some period of time. Whether it was a year, two years, or 20 in the case of Buffalo. Fans need to stop acting entitled and start being patient.

Never realized Buffalo was undergoing a "20 year plan" all of that time during the Brady years. Smart on them to know Josh Allen would eventually fall into their laps.

 

[Rob0729]

I like everything about McVay, I really do. 2 problems IMO though. 1. McVay has had his success coaching ball clubs that were loaded with talent and a win now mode. That won’t happen in N.E. At least I don’t think it would. 2. How do you poach him from the Rams? The amount of draft/player capital they would want would be astronomical. Ben Johnson is interesting. Short term success guy though. Not much of a track record. A lot of risk there.

You don't know if the Patriots wouldn't spend with a new GM and head coach. It would put a lot of the argument to rest whether the lack of money spent in recent years is due to the Krafts being cheap or Belichick not wanting to spend on talent.

I gotta think with all the renovations the Pats are doing to Gillette that aren't really necessary and are really expensive like the new jumbotron the lighthouse, that the Krafts aren't afraid to spend to make the team a winner.

 

[StockingAnarchyNumber12]

As great as BB has been, he contributed to the success obviously as much as TB12. But it's seems like the teams in worse position now then they were in 2021. Mac and the team around him has regressed. From a pure football standpoint ownership may have to go in a different direction if things don't improve drastically.. it not easy to move away from BB but eventually it's going to happen.

I've always been an optimistic fan, a believer in BB. What we all saw last season, and now spilling over into this season is culmination of just the way this team was constructed. Offensively they are so hard to watch. Josh Dobbs and the Cardinals have a more exciting offense right now. I don't think the loss at Dallas was the worst loss in the BB ERA I think the Buffalo game in a few weeks will be!

I think what the Dallas game told me is that this ship is not turning around and back into a winning culture under BB. There were always lingering thoughts like “but we are the Patriots, eventually this team will figure it out right?”. The dynasty isn’t just over. The Patriot way is as well.

 

[Real fan 02]

I think what the Dallas game told me is that this ship is not turning around and back into a winning culture under BB. There were always lingering thoughts like “but we are the Patriots, eventually this team will figure it out right?”. The dynasty isn’t just over. The Patriot way is as well.

Yes.. I always look at the "tone" whenever they start games. The tone on the D wasn't good as they just sat back and allowed Dallas to move the ball at will with Gonzo and judon in the lineup.

I kept thinking like you "oh they'll fix the issues " .... I believe yesterday was the realization that we as patriots fans needed to be shown to where exactly this team is at. If this team is serious about even trying to show some pride then do 2 simple things.

1) acquire devante adams
2) start the young guys upfront on defense, and let the veterans substitute.

 

[ctpatsfan77]

You don't know if the Patriots wouldn't spend with a new GM and head coach. It would put a lot of the argument to rest whether the lack of money spent in recent years is due to the Krafts being cheap or Belichick not wanting to spend on talent.

It's certainly not the former: as I've noted before, the Krafts are, AFAIK, spending every salary cap dollar they get.

And given that fact, I'd also say it's not exactly the latter, either: it's more that Belichick seems to have his own notions of positional and player value that doesn't align well with today's NFL.

In any case, the Patriots must go on a spending spree this offseason, even if it's just re-signing players like Dugger.

 

[borg]

I gotta think with all the renovations the Pats are doing to Gillette that aren't really necessary and are really expensive like the new jumbotron the lighthouse, that the Krafts aren't afraid to spend to make the team a winner.

The jumbotron is a big advertising revenue booster not just for football but for all events.
And I'm guessing the new screen is in the same end of the stadium where concert stages are positioned thus providing bands a massive visual aid for their shows. In other words, this screen might induce more big shows to come to Gillette. More events, more Kraft bucks.

 

[Real fan 02]

The jumbotron is a big advertising revenue booster not just for football but for all events.
And I'm guessing the new screen is in the same end of the stadium where concert stages are positioned thus providing bands a massive visual aid for their shows. In other words, this screen might induce more big shows to come to Gillette. More events, more Kraft bucks.

If this continues that will likely be the only way they collect revenue.. I know of at least 3 people that were die hard fans and season ticket holders that gave them up .

 

[Rob0729]

The jumbotron is a big advertising revenue booster not just for football but for all events.
And I'm guessing the new screen is in the same end of the stadium where concert stages are positioned thus providing bands a massive visual aid for their shows. In other words, this screen might induce more big shows to come to Gillette. More events, more Kraft bucks.

They didn't have to build it as big as they did to generate the advertising revenue though. The jumbotron at the other end isn't as big. And the lighthouse really doesn't generate revenue as far as I know.

 

[VectorPrime]

Please stop. We get it. This is about now.

There are people currently in this thread who still deny it.

 

[Bruins29]

There are people currently in this thread who still deny it.

Brady is gone and would have been gone by now even if he stayed

What does belaboring this point accomplish?

 

[patsfanfromoversea]

I like everything about McVay, I really do. 2 problems IMO though. 1. McVay has had his success coaching ball clubs that were loaded with talent and a win now mode. That won’t happen in N.E. At least I don’t think it would.

i think this won't be a problem.
The reason for this is:
McVay is able to evaluate talent and improve players. Look at Nacua for example. A fifth rd. rookie is producing like an all pro

2. How do you poach him from the Rams? The amount of draft/player capital they would want would be astronomical. Ben Johnson is interesting. Short term success guy though. Not much of a track record. A lot of risk there.

i heard rumours after the super bowl that he may retire. If so, can he come out of retirement and come to NE for free? Otherwise it would be too expensive probably and won't happen

regarding Ben Johnson: it's risky i agree but i doubt BoB or Mayo are better options and they are risky too.

 

[mike_usagisan]

There are people currently in this thread who still deny it.

I understand, but this isn't a Brady thread. I'm asking you nicely to move on to the subject at hand in this thread, please.

 

[1960Pats]

Luckily things aren't dependant on what you feel.

I never said they were.

And btw, if you're going to take cheap, smarmy shots from behind your computer at another poster you should at least spell the words correctly.

 

[SteveBsFan]

No point in drafting another young QB in round 1 if Belechick is still going to continue as coach and GM
BB thinks every QB he has is Tom Brady, and somehow the QB will make average players suddenly over achieve. Brady could do it because he was a once in a lifetime talent.
Players like Jones can't.
BB has surrounded Jones with inferior talent.
Look how bad Allen and Tua were until their teams got them some weapons and put talent around them.

If the Patriots go in another direction at QB, and continue with Belechick's philosophy of surrounding the QB with less than stellar talent...well the wheel will just keep on going round and round with the offense stuck in a ditch.

It is indeed time to clean house in Foxboro, from top to bottom. The team needs a new philosophy to catch up tp the rest of the league.

Josh Allen wasn’t bad before Diggs. And Diggs also wasn’t as productive as he was with Allen. Yes he was a very good 1k receiver but with Allen he jumped to 1500, 1200, 1400 with 100+ catches a season.

Meanwhile Allen basically doubled his production from y1 to y2 and picked up 10 wins with 6 career 4QC and 8 GWD all before Diggs.

Allen was on the rise and was put over the top with Diggs.

Tua was also on the rise from y1 to y2 but yea, getting a game changer like Hill will improve anyone significantly. Tua is kind of a unique situation because there just aren’t many guys like Hill in the league.

 

[203Pat]

BB is still the best in the biz. You hear it all the time from players of all experience levels how spending time with BB drastically changes their game. It’s why we don’t have very many players leave and become better than they were here.

Every team that is good right now sucked for some period of time. Whether it was a year, two years, or 20 in the case of Buffalo. Fans need to stop acting entitled and start being patient.

I will never understand this mentality. The team owes you. You don't owe them. It is a business and you are the customer.

 

[VrabelJr]

I will never understand this mentality. The team owes you. You don't owe them. It is a business and you are the customer.

Good luck interacting with businesses as an entitled brat. You'll be shown the door more often than you think outside of big box retailers where front-end employees are hired as fodder.

 

[Steve102]

They didn't have to build it as big as they did to generate the advertising revenue though. The jumbotron at the other end isn't as big. And the lighthouse really doesn't generate revenue as far as I know.

Branding.