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Makes sense including the biggest outlier in pro sportsDraft round of the recent SB winning QBs
6th
3rd
6th
1st
6th
3rd
1st
1st
1st
2nd
So 6 of the last 10 SBs have been won by QBs taken outside of the first round.
What you said ...
"The issue is bad teams without QBs drafting RBs in the first round"
I gave you multiple examples of good teams/QBs drafting RB's Rd1 and none made a difference if we're being honest.
It's never a smart move drafting RB's Rd1. History shows you can find them later in the draft and UDFA.
Running game matters but running backs don't.
I'm in the camp that believes tanking games sends the wrong message to the team. The picks don't matter as much as the message.
Makes sense including the biggest outlier in pro sports. Also the Eagles wouldn't be in position to compete for a SB without Wentz who had an MVP-type year. And was also drafted Rd1.
The elephant in this room is the growing war between Brady fans vs Belichick fans for attribution of the success of the past 20 years. Brady fans tend to talk down Belichick to talk up Brady.
And vice versa.
Again nothing of substance at all. Imagine arguing RB's matter in 2020. NFL teams and this draft expert are telling you you're wrong. Its ok to be wrong Deus.
Well someone smarter than you is doing actual work to look at which draft pundits, experts etc are legit or not. Without looking into it and doing any research you're just "blah, blah, blah" like you normally do. So how actually would you know?You're not a draft expert. You're some random guy on a message board. And only a fool would pass on a player he thought would be a great running back because they were picking in the bottom of round 1 and it would be "wrong" to take a RB before pick 33.
But, since you cited to "NFL teams", I'm sure you know more than, say, the Patriots, who've drafted 2 RBs in the first round during Brady's tenure.
And those "spectacular" special teams did what in the playoffs?Special Team performance got Joe Judge a HC job. At least I'm pretty sure it wasn't his coaching of the WR's that got him to the Giants.
I don't think it's a BB vs. TB12 thing. We are Patriots fans. Most of us were fans before TB12 (or BB) and will be afterwards. We want what best for the TEAM.
I'm sure you know more than, say, the Patriots, who've drafted 2 RBs in the first round during Brady's tenure.
And those "spectacular" special teams did what in the playoffs?
Never, ever.
Look at a few of the recent drafts and you will see mid to late round RB's who perform well when the starter goes down.Since Bacon cited to Kamara, let's take a closer look at his draft year (2017)
RBs drafted in 2017:
Fournette
McCaffrey
Cook
Mixon
Kamara
Hunt
(D'Onta) Foreman
Conner
That's a hell of a RB draft. But it's an outlier. Any simple scanning of the drafts in recent years shows that. It also shows that quality RBs aren't just falling off of trees. Start by comparing 2017 to 2018 and 2016, and you see the picture setting up quickly.
DraftHistory.com
In all seriousness if a Caff, Barkley fell into our laps I'd seriously think about it but at the same time things would have to line up.So you answered my post when I asked you about Gurley or Barkley with the 32nd pick, citing Brady and Manning as outliers. Isn’t it fair to say “a first round running back is generally a very bad investment for a multitude of reasons; however, the scenario can exist if the RB is exceptional enough and drops far enough in the first round” ?
Theoretically a kicker who can accurately make a 75-yard field goal could be a first round pick.
I just think having axioms like that is not a good approach to many things in life.
In all seriousness if a Caff, Barkley fell into our laps I'd seriously think about it but at the same time things would have to line up.
Is Lamar Jackson on the board as well? How is are RB Corp? I wouldn't auto take a big name to disrupt a good thing we have going on the team.
I'm not dancing these are things I'd have to weigh.
Would you want to be paying Gurleys contact right now? Zeke? Even Barkleys on that team?
You take a guy that high you're already paying big money and invested for the future or else it looks kinda dumb taking a guy top 5-10 and letting him walk. Those picks are supposed to cornerstones. Not one and done.
I look at RB as the cherry on top. Not the sundae. Of you have a good OL RB falls into place. Almost automatically when you have a QB/OL.
In terms of value, importance it's down the scale for me. QB, OL/DL, CB, S, WR, LB, RB
See, I agree with basically everything you’re saying. In general, very bad idea to draft a RB very high. But most GMs do realize this as well, so that is why you very rarely see top 5 running backs and way fewer first round running backs nowadays. I just think this is not a written in stone rule...if the RB is good enough and sinks that much, it can be a good value. But I agree it is pretty rare that a RB exceeds his draft value when compared to a replacement level player.