Curious how people feel

[Ring 6]

The franchise is at somewhat of a crossroads. In trying to understand what people think I wonder how people would feel about being given 2 options.

1) win the Sb next year then go about 4-12 for 5 years straight

2) win 8-10 games each of the next 6 years make the playoffs a couple of times maybe win a post season game or 2 but no SB.

Which would you prefer.
I’m going to try to do it as a poll (never done one before so it may fail) but might be a question that requires explanation too.

 

[Jangles]

How is this actually a question?

Be a terrible team after winning a guaranteed Super Bowl, or be a bad team and win guaranteed 0 Super Bowls

is this something you really think people would be split on?

 

[bormio]

The franchise is at somewhat of a crossroads. In trying to understand what people think I wonder how people would feel about being given 2 options.

1) win the Sb next year then go about 4-12 for 5 years straight

2) win 8-10 games each of the next 6 years make the playoffs a couple of times maybe win a post season game or 2 but no SB.

Which would you prefer.
I’m going to try to do it as a poll (never done one before so it may fail) but might be a question that requires explanation too.

Red Sox tried this around 2013 - worked out OK. Win the SB - would be #7. Accumulate draft picks and start a new run. Mediocrity is death in the NFL (and NBA)

 

[Deus Irae]

Who's the QB winning the SB next year? Yes, it matters.

 

[BaconGrundleCandy]

Andy is probably a good guy but was never a good poster if we're being honest. That said @AndyJohnson was a lot better than @Ring 6. Crazy considering its the same poster.

 

[Ross12]

How is this actually a question?

Be a terrible team after winning a guaranteed Super Bowl, or be a bad team and win guaranteed 0 Super Bowls

is this something you really think people would be split on?

I think the poll would be better if it was more like

A) Near sure-fire SB win next year but guaranteed bad seasons thereafter for following 4 years due to cap hell/other issues

or

B) Solid team capable of winning between 8-11 games per year for those 5 years and making the postseason but unclear if a SB win is possible during that time or not

 

[Ian]

Oddly enough, I remember this question prior to the trading of Garoppolo since the thinking about this scenario applied if Brady was traded vs Jimmy G.

Is the premise bringing Brady back on a high dollar contract vs moving on at a lower number and more money to work with by letting him walk in favor Stidham? Just trying to make better sense of this since Stidham is under contract for a few more years...?

 

[Ring 6]

Who's the QB winning the SB next year? Yes, it matters.

Brady

 

[Ring 6]

Oddly enough, I remember this question prior to the trading of Garoppolo since the thinking about this scenario applied if Brady was traded vs Jimmy G.

Is the premise bringing Brady back on a high dollar contract vs moving on at a lower number and more money to work with by letting him walk in favor Stidham? Just trying to make better sense of this since Stidham is under contract for a few more years...?

Yes keep Brady to win the Sb then have 5 bad years or be competitive but never win it all for the same period.


Could also apply it to any period.
Would you rather win a Sb then suck for years or stay decent but never good enough

 

[Ring 6]

How is this actually a question?

Be a terrible team after winning a guaranteed Super Bowl, or be a bad team and win guaranteed 0 Super Bowls

is this something you really think people would be split on?

It’s win a Sb then suck vs being 8-8 or better every year but never win a Sb

 

[Deus Irae]

Brady

Then give me the SB and the down years. That'll mean that the 4-12 years are rebuilds with a search for a new QB. A SB win with another QB next year would mean that they got lucky once and were heading down the toilet immediately afterwards, while likely being tied to that new QB.

 

[Ian]

Yes keep Brady to win the Sb then have 5 bad years or be competitive but never win it all for the same period.


Could also apply it to any period.
Would you rather win a Sb then suck for years or stay decent but never good enough

It's tough - I'd take the SB with Brady and then suffer because I want him to have 7 rings for history's sake - but as another thought, I wouldn't want them to target a high-cost QB to make a postseason run vs developing a QB and being competitive.

So I get what you're saying. For example, let's pretend someone like Dak Prescott became available - I wouldn't want them to pay him a fortune vs sticking with Stidham or drafting another player and using that $$ elsewhere...if that makes sense...?

Brady is the only one I'd do whatever it took to keep. After that, I'll take our chances.

 

[Bradyking12]

1 or 2 won't happen, we won't fall of the cliff if Brady leaves if we were to then we would pay him anything to keep him, BB knows what he's doing he know he can win without Brady otherwise what's going right now wouldn't be an option clearly he is confidant enough for that to be an option otherwise it wouldn't be an option.

 

[Ring 6]

Then give me the SB and the down years. That'll mean that the 4-12 years are rebuilds with a search for a new QB. A SB win with another QB next year would mean that they got lucky once and were heading down the toilet immediately afterwards, while likely being tied to that new QB.

It's tough - I'd take the SB with Brady and then suffer because I want him to have 7 rings for history's sake - but as another thought, I wouldn't want them to target a high-cost QB to make a postseason run vs developing a QB and being competitive.

So I get what you're saying. For example, let's pretend someone like Dak Prescott became available - I wouldn't want them to pay him a fortune vs sticking with Stidham or drafting another player and using that $$ elsewhere...if that makes sense...?

Brady is the only one I'd do whatever it took to keep. After that, I'll take our chances.

it was more a matter of understanding people’s perspectives. There is no right or wrong answer it’s a preference.

For me, any time if you gave me the choice of 5 awful years plus a SB win vs 6 years of contention and never winning it, I’d take the SB. That colors my perspective. People who would prefer the alternative would probably have different opinions about how to approach this off season.
Obviously you can’t choose to shoot for either alternative so the question is about which results you would be happier with.

 

[Deus Irae]

1 or 2 won't happen, we won't fall of the cliff if Brady leaves if we were to then we would pay him anything to keep him, BB knows what he's doing he know he can win without Brady otherwise what's going right now wouldn't be an option clearly he is confidant enough for that to be an option otherwise it wouldn't be an option.

BB hasn't won anything without Brady, so let's stop pretending that we can be sure he'd do it this time. He had an undefeated team with Brady, and he couldn't even get that team to the playoffs the following season, without Brady.

Does that mean that he absolutely can't win without Brady? No, but it sure as hell doesn't indicate that he can.

 

[farn]

To me, it doesn’t matter. Always choose the SB win. I always want to choose Ray’s slaughter - but if the alternative is “winning a SB”, always go with the win.

Would rather win the SB w any QB than lose w Brady. Winning is everything.

 

[bormio]

it was more a matter of understanding people’s perspectives. There is no right or wrong answer it’s a preference.

For me, any time if you gave me the choice of 5 awful years plus a SB win vs 6 years of contention and never winning it, I’d take the SB. That colors my perspective. People who would prefer the alternative would probably have different opinions about how to approach this off season.
Obviously you can’t choose to shoot for either alternative so the question is about which results you would be happier with.

This can’t be Andy. Andy would never say there is no right or wrong answer

 

[Ian]

it was more a matter of understanding people’s perspectives. There is no right or wrong answer it’s a preference.

For me, any time if you gave me the choice of 5 awful years plus a SB win vs 6 years of contention and never winning it, I’d take the SB. That colors my perspective. People who would prefer the alternative would probably have different opinions about how to approach this off season.
Obviously you can’t choose to shoot for either alternative so the question is about which results you would be happier with.

I'm with you, although it's funny...I was just sitting here thinking and if it was truly a matter of a SB win vs 4-6 years of 2-14 and 4-12 ... I do feel like that would be pretty painful. I think my bigger concern is the fact we're reaching a point where Belichick is also closer to the end and we sort of don't really have a good idea of who his successor might be, nor do we have a feel for how they'll build a good foundation to have in place to keep this organization playing at a high level.

With McDaniels, Judge and Caserio as potential people departing this offseason, those are significant losses that they can weather as long as Belichick is here. If the rumors turn out to be nonsense and Belichick does stick around for a few more years, how he replaces these three - especially Caserio - is definitely going to be key to their future because I don't see him coaching past 72-ish...which is crazy to think he's only 5-years or so away from reaching that age. Once he's gone, it's going to be tough to remain at this level, whether we like it or not. So how he sets us up is going to be interesting to see how that plays out.

 

[Bradyking12]

BB hasn't won anything without Brady, so let's stop pretending that we can be sure he'd do it this time. He had an undefeated team with Brady, and he couldn't even get that team to the playoffs the following season, without Brady.

Does that mean that he absolutely can't win without Brady? No, but it sure as hell doesn't indicate that he can.

I hate the Cassell argument, he never was supposed to be a starter or a heir to Brady his purpose in life was to be a backup, BB went 11-5 with a backup not a starter says a lot about his coaching ability.

 

[IcyPatriot]

As long as Belichick is here with a hungry team and he has their undivided attention ...
Then we have a chance to win a Lombardi every year ... so maybe 1 or 2 more ... ???