Celtics trade Isaiah Thomas, Brooklyn 2018 pick & players for Kyrie Irving

[dafoe2016]

I mean a 2nd round pick is barely worth anything in the first place; a 2nd rounder 3 years from now is almost totally worthless. I don't even know what the point was.

The NBA’s 30 Best Second-Round Draft Picks Ever

 

[Ross12]

The NBA’s 30 Best Second-Round Draft Picks Ever

Right, so there were 30 guys who were somewhere between good to great picked in the second round in the last 60 years... so that's like... a 1-3% or so chance of your second round pick being potentially decent? Are we really gonna be mad at Danny giving that up in 3 years from now?

 

[ForThoseAboutToRock]

I wouldn't be surprised to see the C's throw in one of their own 1st round picks over the next 2-3 years with top 5 or 10 protections on it, or offer CLE the chance to swap picks once over some time period if they really need to add sweetener to save the deal.

Funny that this post of mine got two "disagrees" (@dafoe2016 , @TommyD4207 ) considering that this is pretty much what happened - except that I slightly overestimated Cleveland's bargaining position.

 

[LightSkinSmurf]

One thing is definite Ainge did not like the team that was constructed last year and they won 53 games.

Pretty sure he liked the team, he just didn't love them.. And he knew last year was fools gold and we really weren't that good. Certainly not true contenders.

 

[PatsFan2]

One thing is definite Ainge did not like the team that was constructed last year and they won 53 games.

And they looked very Over matched against Lebron and that same Kyrie. Just goes to show regular season is regular season the playoffs are playoffs different game and intensity.

 

[RobertWeathers]

One thing is definite Ainge did not like the team that was constructed last year and they won 53 games.

I think he liked the team's personality and culture.

He just didn't think they were talented enough or had a high enough ceiling to realistically compete for a championship.

Additionally there are/were players on the team who he was not going to pay more than he thought they were worth.

 

[RobertWeathers]

Interesting analysis / spin from Extra pick Celtics gave Cavs proves Kyrie Irving deal never was in danger ...

It seems the way this went down is Dan Gilbert threw a hissy fit, got some push back from his front office and the rest of the freaking world, the CLE and BOS executives understood it for what it was, and Danny yielded the almost worthless 2020 2nd round pick so CLE could save face and everyone could move forward with a deal that had to get done.

In the end, it is just a data point that other teams should take in: dealing with CLE isn't going to be straight forward as long as Gilbert owns the team.

The Ringer's Kevin O'Conner ( Our Long Cavaliers-Celtics Trade Nightmare Is Over ) writes:

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So it seems this is about how Gilbert felt LBJ was dealing with the trade i.e. LBJ and Lue were told that the deal was to help them win now, but with a "damaged" IT that story didn't hold water, so they went back to the table. At the same time, everyone in the CLE front office knows the deal is really about improving defense with Crowder and getting the BKN pick so they have "something" once LBJ leaves. Therefore the minor concession was enough to save face and luckily for them Danny was gracious enough to yield the concession in order for the deal to go through.

Great find.

I knew that petulant turd of an owner Gilbert was the one driving this....

 

[IllegalContact]

one more move left.......now what do the celts need to give up to get anthony davis

 

[YOUGOTMOSSED]

one more move left.......now what do the celts need to give up to get anthony davis

Pretty much everything. AD is kind of a pipe dream.

 

[borisman]

In the NBA the team that gets the best player wins, THE CELTICS WON the deal

No... There's that little matter of the Brooklyn pick, sorry.

Ok, let's look at it this way (as this was mentioned elsewhere):
Is the difference between Kyrie and IT4 worth Crowder, Zizic, Brooklyn (lottery) pick and the 2nd rounder? Not sure it is so I wouldn't say that Boston WON the deal. Absolutely not.

 

[BTTA]

Worrying about how it feels to add a future second rounder to this, or whether this was "a shake down", is a loser's mindset. People who successfully fulfill decision making roles focus on the end game, not personal pride or sentiment. Ainge et al looked at this, recognized the injustice in Cleveland asking for more, and shrugged it off as irrelevant when focused on building a team with a chance of winning a championship.

 

[AvocadoIceCream]

One thing is definite Ainge did not like the team that was constructed last year and they won 53 games.

Well I think we all really enjoyed the team. They were underdogs and IT was an emotional leader we could all really rally behind... but we all knew there was no way they could win a title, and that's the goal.

 

[AvocadoIceCream]

Ok, let's look at it this way (as this was mentioned elsewhere):
Is the difference between Kyrie and IT4 worth Crowder, Zizic, Brooklyn (lottery) pick and the 2nd rounder? Not sure it is so I wouldn't say that Boston WON the deal. Absolutely not.

Yes the difference is worth that...

Not only is Kyrie the better player, he's cheaper, and significantly younger.

When brown and Tatum (and perhaps the 2018 laker/76er pick) are hitting their primes, IT will be at the end or likely even past his prime. Kyrie will be right in his prime... that's probably the biggest factor in this trade nobody is talking about

Kyrie fits the timeline with the young players a lot better.

 

[RobertWeathers]

Yes the difference is worth that...

Not only is Kyrie the better player, he's cheaper, and significantly younger.

When brown and Tatum (and perhaps the 2018 laker/76er pick) are hitting their primes, IT will be at the end or likely even past his prime. Kyrie will be right in his prime... that's probably the biggest factor in this trade nobody is talking about

Kyrie fits the timeline with the young players a lot better.

Yes

Danny has said "timeline" 1/2 a dozen times.

 

[borisman]

Yes the difference is worth that...

Not only is Kyrie the better player, he's cheaper, and significantly younger.

When brown and Tatum (and perhaps the 2018 laker/76er pick) are hitting their primes, IT will be at the end or likely even past his prime. Kyrie will be right in his prime... that's probably the biggest factor in this trade nobody is talking about

Kyrie fits the timeline with the young players a lot better.

I like the trade but what I'm saying there' no way that the C's definitively WON this trade.

 

[YOUGOTMOSSED]

Now that that's settled, can we focus on signing Andrew Bogut now?

 

[RobertWeathers]

one more move left.......now what do the celts need to give up to get anthony davis

Horford and whatever the hell they want.

 

[AvocadoIceCream]

Horford and whatever the hell they want.

It would take Brown, Smart, Tatum, Horford (to match salary) and picks


And I'm not positive that's enough

 

[IllegalContact]

It would take Brown, Smart, Tatum, Horford (to match salary) and picks


And I'm not positive that's enough

Actually horford is 7M more than Davis

 

[Patsfanin Philly]

Great find.

I knew that petulant turd of an owner Gilbert was the one driving this....

The fallout fro him and Cavs may be in future trades when teams wonder whether Gilbert will come back asking for more later on and I expect it will make teams either more wary or more likely to put in more protections for themselves...