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  1. Ice_Ice_Brady

    Ice_Ice_Brady PatsFans.com Supporter PatsFans.com Supporter

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    Cap management is what gives them their tremendous advantage.
     
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    Carrol was sabotaged by a GM who might have had the 3 worst draft classes in Patriot history in a ROW! (interesting that his kid is the GM in Miami now and is reportedly doing a great job) So Carroll ended up having rosters that were top heavy with good players but were never deep enough to survive the injuries that occurred to starters.

    Still he never had a losing season and probably would have kept his job but for 2 Vinitieri clangs during the 1999 season that cost them 2 games.

    The media wasn't his friend either. They went out of their way to trash his "west coast style" and up tempo demeanor. They were merciless....just because he wasn't their buddy, Bill Parcells.

    (aside: I strongly think Parcells is NOT worthy of entry into the Pats HOF, but if there were a HOF for HC's who handle the media, he'd be a first ballot entry, because NObody had the media wrapped around his fingers more than Bill Parcells. Good coach, but OUTSTANDING media manipulator and self promoter.)
     
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  3. maust1013

    maust1013 Experienced Starter w/First Big Contract

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    Elway is the one who needs to be concerned with his legacy and 'reputation' when Flacco falls on his face. This is Fangio's 1st stint as a HC after spending the past 25 years primarily as a DC. For the most part he was a very good coordinator, so far there is nothing to suggest he is or will be a "great, great coach." The assessment coming from someone who routinely discounts Belichick's value and doesn't understand the cap is one of the primary factors in New England's success takes it from silly to absurd
     
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  4. Patriot Missile

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    Stopped reading at Tomlin #10.

    There are equipment managers in this league better than him. I could name dozens of assistants more qualified.
     
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    So I guess you did not get to McDermott at #9...
     
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    Pom Pom was not good here but BIG was negligent as GM
     
  7. n6249c

    n6249c In the Starting Line-Up

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    Real question is, does Brady ever see the field with any other HC, or is he riding the pine as backup behind a better pedigree (like Drew Henson)?
    And given that Belichick already won a ring as DC, for a HOF game plan that meant more than the HC, the question regarding him is not if but rather how many.
     
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    n6249c In the Starting Line-Up

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    But they have Scar. His salary should count double in that total because of the effect he has on the players’ performance.
     
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    Yup. There are a lot of coaches who would never have given a 6th-rounder a chance. If Brady ends up with one of those, then bounces around between a couple of similar teams he could have ended up a career backup or out of football after 5 years.
     
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  10. TomPatriot

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    Astonishing but absolutely true.
     
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    farn Experienced Starter w/First Big Contract

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    Oh snap
     
  12. PATSYLICIOUS

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    They have Tomlin as a top 10 coach and I'm not sure I would dispute that, meaning there's 22 worse coaches than Mike Tomlin. I think this is when I realized just how bad it is for the rest of the NFL. Being that fortunate at not just HC but HC + QB (GOAT, takes less money, perfect teammate / no ego issues) and its easy to see why this team is the most dominant in NFL history.
     
  13. Ice_Ice_Brady

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    Okay, so here is the only (somewhat) logical measurement of Brady’s winning success and Belichick’s factor.

    Brady is 237-70 (including playoffs.). That’s a win percentage of .772.

    So he’s won 237 of 307 games.

    How many games would have he have needed to lose (say, with a lesser coach) for his winning percentage to be the same as other comparisons?

    Joe Montana - .711 winning percentage.

    Brady would have a similar winning percentage if his record were 218-89. That’s a difference of 19 games.

    Peyton Manning - .685 winning percentage

    Brady would have a similar winning percentage if his record were 210-97. That’s a difference of 27 games.

    So for Montana, Brady could lose 1 game each year that is flipped from win to loss, and with Manning 1.5 games flipped from win to loss. That’s a damn lot of margin whereby Brady the greatest ever alone, though obviously enhanced by Belichick. He’s ahead by such a large margin that this isn’t like having Belichick gives him some tiny winning advantage over better players. He is way, way ahead of these guys, who are considered the second and third best QB in history and also had a lot of the right pieces/coaching to win.
     
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    He would’ve beat out some starter or took over for someone getting benched somewhere eventually. There’s been lot of terrible QB play in the NFL for many years.

    He was determined to be great from day 1 telling Kraft he was the “best decision they ever made”. He even told his agent in the “Brady 6” documentary how confident he was in making the team. BB even made room to keep him on the team even though they just signed Bledsoe to a record setting contract, signed John Friez as the veteran backup and Michael Bishop as the 2nd year QB with mobility and a rocket arm. Keeping 4 QB’s on a team was unheard of during that time, but BB knew Brady would’ve been scooped up by another team.
     
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    Tb12 could read defenses, had a quick release, showed leadership qualities at a young age, and was coachable. Bledsoe was a Dan Marino gun slinger type of QB who would wait for the deep route to open up and tried to squeeze it in instead of going for a sure thing hitting the running back in the flat for a 4 or 5 yard gain. Before coming to the Pats, BB had put game plans in for the Jets that consistently neutralized Bledsoe. BB had the vision to know the league was changing and he needed a QB who had the qualities above to be able to manage the game and let the defense keep things close. Obviously the GOAT eventually took it to another stratosphere. But it's highly possible the greatest QB that ever lived could be selling insurance for a living if BB did not have the balls, the vision and the faith to allow the GOAT to become the GOAT.
     
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  16. Captain Cliche

    Captain Cliche Third String But Playing on Special Teams

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    What coach trades the franchise QB within the division to keep a 6th round draft pick?
     
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    Captain Cliche Third String But Playing on Special Teams

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    I should back up.
    Did they trade Bedsoe after Brady won a Super Bowl?

    I remember Pats nation came unglued over that one.
     
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