Carter & Hunter gone by 4# Trade down?

[imahobgoblin]

If Hunter weighs 185 or less he’s going to have to bulk up to play outside unless he’s really strong. Again… wait for the combine and pro days. You’re guessing.

The Pats have an All Pro CB, why didn’t they win games last year? Oh yeah, no trenches…. learn the game.

Is it ever possible to have a logical convo with you rather than a rambling drunken stupor? You claimed Hunter is undersized like Marcus Jones, which is total idiocy that you still refuse to own. You even defend it. I am not guessing Hunter plays outside corner, was the nation's top receiver, or is over 6 ft tall. You are the only person who disputes it and the one who is guessing.

Why didn't "they" win games last year? Let's talk about that. 1) They were the most poorly coached team in the league. 2) The team had only two players out of 53 with elite talent. 3) We had the worst WR room in the NFL. 4) We had the worst oline in the NFL. 5) We had Jacoby starting for 5 games and he was trash. 6) Stevenson fumbled 7 times, many in key points during tight games. 6) Besides Maye, the draft class contributed nothing. 8) Free agency was hideous.

There are three ways to begin fixing this team: draft, free agency, trades. The draft is just one way. The goal will be to have starting oline, dline, and edge before the draft even begins. We have $130+ million in cap space and the ability to make major improvements prior to the draft. Do you even understand this? That gives us the ability to take the best player available at #4. When a team lacks this much talent, you just go and get the best talent available regardless of position in the top of first round.

 

[Wozzy]

Is it ever possible to have a logical convo with you rather than a rambling drunken stupor? You claimed Hunter is undersized like Marcus Jones, which is total idiocy that you still refuse to own. You even defend it. I am not guessing Hunter plays outside corner, was the nation's top receiver, or is over 6 ft tall. You are the only person who disputes it and the one who is guessing.

Why didn't "they" win games last year? Let's talk about that. 1) They were the most poorly coached team in the league. 2) The team had only two players out of 53 with elite talent. 3) We had the worst WR room in the NFL. 4) We had the worst oline in the NFL. 5) We had Jacoby starting for 5 games and he was trash. 6) Stevenson fumbled 7 times, many in key points during tight games. 6) Besides Maye, the draft class contributed nothing. 8) Free agency was hideous.

There are three ways to begin fixing this team: draft, free agency, trades. The draft is just one way. The goal will be to have starting oline, dline, and edge before the draft even begins. We have $130+ million in cap space and the ability to make major improvements prior to the draft. Do you even understand this? That gives us the ability to take the best player available at #4. When a team lacks this much talent, you just go and get the best talent available regardless of position in the top of first round.

185 pounds is undersized

 

[yukon cornelius]

Who are you even talking about? Travis Hunter is 6'1 and won the Biletnikoff award. Marcus Jones is a nickel CB and only 5'8. Hunter is an outside corner.

then he better learn how to use his hands and play press, because that is a glaring weakness right now

 

[Grogan14]

185 pounds is undersized

Devonta Smith was 6-0 and 170
He did pretty well
Travis Hunter at 6-1 and 185 is substantially bigger than Smith

 

[imahobgoblin]

185 pounds is undersized

Your ability to reply honestly is undersized. It is utterly amazing how you just ignored everything else in that post that decimates you.

 

[imahobgoblin]

then he better learn how to use his hands and play press, because that is a glaring weakness right now

I wouldn't want him at CB. He is the best WR in the nation and CB is not a priority. Once he figures out that WRs get paid 2x as much s CB, he will get it. He would make a great Z for us.

 

[yukon cornelius]

I wouldn't want him at CB. He is the best WR in the nation and CB is not a priority. Once he figures out that WRs get paid 2x as much s CB, he will get it. He would make a great Z for us.

hopefully he goes elsewhere

 

[imahobgoblin]

hopefully he goes elsewhere

If he is on the board at #4, I think we should take him. I would rather have Carter. If both are gone, then Graham if we can not trade down a few slots.

 

[rkarp1]

if Carter and Hunter are gone then Ward or Sanders will be there at 4.
I could see the Jets, Saints, Raiders having interest in moving up
the saints trading #9, #40 and a 2nd next year would work.

 

[yukon cornelius]

if Carter and Hunter are gone then Ward or Sanders will be there at 4.
I could see the Jets, Saints, Raiders having interest in moving up
the saints trading #9, #40 and a 2nd next year would work.

to me its carter or graham or move down.......i am leery of the headache/distraction factor of the kid wanting to play both ways, amongst other things......i think a WR at 4 is just not a wise use of the pick - there's no megatron in this draft.......i like both carter and graham and what they could add to this team (especially graham.......the intangibles are really made for vraebel).....beyond that, i think if hunter is available, someone will be willing to move up, and you can drop down a handful of spots, still get a starter at a position of needs, and add a 2nd and maybe a high pick next year......

 

[rkarp1]

to me its carter or graham or move down.......i am leery of the headache/distraction factor of the kid wanting to play both ways, amongst other things......i think a WR at 4 is just not a wise use of the pick - there's no megatron in this draft.......i like both carter and graham and what they could add to this team (especially graham.......the intangibles are really made for vraebel).....beyond that, i think if hunter is available, someone will be willing to move up, and you can drop down a handful of spots, still get a starter at a position of needs, and add a 2nd and maybe a high pick next year......

yes for sure with your scenario
in my scenario Carter and Hunter are gone

 

[imahobgoblin]

to me its carter or graham or move down.......i am leery of the headache/distraction factor of the kid wanting to play both ways, amongst other things......i think a WR at 4 is just not a wise use of the pick - there's no megatron in this draft.......i like both carter and graham and what they could add to this team (especially graham.......the intangibles are really made for vraebel).....beyond that, i think if hunter is available, someone will be willing to move up, and you can drop down a handful of spots, still get a starter at a position of needs, and add a 2nd and maybe a high pick next year......

I hope so, but I am just not sure it will fall that way.

 

[Hugepatsfan]

I think building the trenches is more impactful to winning games than a CB is, give equal talent of the prospective addition at each spot. That last caveat is key though. An all pro CB is a better piece to add than a good, not great starting DT or a situational edge rusher. If Hunter is an all pro CB, Carter is a situational edge rusher and Graham is a good, not great starting DT, then give me Hunter without hesitation. But with the draft it's all a projection. None of us have a crystal ball that can predict what these guys will be. You have to trust your honest scouting evaluation of the players.

In free agency where the options have NFL experience to project off of, I think there's more an argument to be made assigning your resources based on prioritizing one position over another. But in the draft where you're doing the whole crapshoot of projecting how good someone will be at the next level, I think you're doing yourself a huge disservice trying to lock in on specific position(s) in addition to the already difficult task of projecting the level of player they'll be. Over time that's going to lead to reaches and leaving a lot of better players on the board.

 

[imahobgoblin]

But in the draft where you're doing the whole crapshoot of projecting how good someone will be at the next level, I think you're doing yourself a huge disservice trying to lock in on specific position(s) in addition to the already difficult task of projecting the level of player they'll be.

This is exactly right. We have to also consider what the team will look like on April 24. Those screaming about building by drafting through the lines ignore that Free Agency opens March 10 with legal tampering and we have $130 million available. We could sign a left tackle (Jackson or Stanley), Trey Smith, Josh Sweat, and Milton Williams and suddenly have a very different looking team. If Barmore is healthy, there are plenty of free agents who could make our d-line a nightmare for QBs before the draft even starts.

The front office's goal should be to have a staring team in place by April 23 through free agency. Go into the draft with the ability to pick the best players, and then figure out how to use them, rather than being forced to draft needs in bad spots. Those who refuse to take a CB or WR high in the draft are just silly if this goal is reached. And yes, it is the goal. With $130 million, there should be no settling for less.

 

[Huckleberry1]

Interesting take from Yates and Kiper today. Both see him as a better receiver than cornerback, and their comp was Justin Jefferson.

That will change many of the takes on this board as far as Hunter at #4 as receiver goes.

 

[One-If-By-Sea]

Also it just came out today that Stafford is actively seeking a trade. The Giants should be first in line.

At $50M+ per year for a 37 year old QB, and the Giants have to give up picks too? I think the Giants at #3 are better off gambling on a rookie QB, unless Sanders and Ward go #1 and #2.

 

[Grogan14]

Interesting take from Yates and Kiper today. Both see him as a better receiver than cornerback, and their comp was Justin Jefferson.

That will change many of the takes on this board as far as Hunter at #4 as receiver goes.

Thanks to Mayo...they have no shot at Hunter at #4

 

[BTTA]

I think the ones who are retiring were doing the same thing for years. Now that the playing field has been leveled they lost their advantage so they decided to take their ball and go home.

That might be true in football, although not for most college sports.

 

[Real fan 02]

Agree 100%. Both critical needs and those two can play

If the organization had to make the decision while on the clock my mind say Campbell.. we will beef up the DL in FA and later rounds.. Campbell feels like the right pick fills a severe need and he'd be best available for us if Carter isn't there.

 

[Real fan 02]

I would Trade down if a Second comes with the package and a future Day 1 selection. That said I feel they are going to like Mason Graham he could be special... Defense wins Championships.

If welcome back Carter isn't there.. my choice then PF2 My twin.. I think we gotta take Campbell.. our tackles can't block for s**t... Lowe can't block the sun out his eyes..