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DRAFT BGC 2021 Pre-Draft/Patriot-Type Prospect(s) thread

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He needs to work on his decision making, mechanics and protecting himself when on the run. Mechanics are sweet and smooth on deep stuff but he still has some stuff to clean up on short/intermediate passes. Those are the two most important concerns but again he leaves himself open to too many hits.
So a redshirt year is anyway almost certain if we draft one. Do you think he can fix that to an nfl level? i mean short intermediate is important in our offense isn't it.
He'll lock onto some targets, think he can throw it through some defenders, will get fooled occasionally but honestly you could say that about Wilson, Lance and Fields as well. Ridder just seems to have a less market value but when you watch the class the QB2 spot is a lot closer than people say. He'll likely grade out as a second rounder for me but position value could bump him up. Ideally we get him after 32 but the demand for QBS is outrageous. Half the league is looking for one.
Yeah totally, esp some teams in the end of first with aging qb or teams who are picking early second and don't want to draft a qb with their first pick
Plus Ridder's strengths and +'s are really good. His arm is unreal. I mean it's special. And he's a winner. I hate using QB wins as a stat but after a while there's something to a guy at the most important position not messing it up. Ridder has won in a tough conference and is tough himself. Well spoken but tough kid. I think teams like seeing guys like him work for things. Have to fight, overcome obstacles. Intangibles matter more there and he has them.
Thank you this provides a good overview
Did he had significant injuries? i remember reading about Wilsons injuries yesterday esp on his throwing shoulder
 
Looking at actual production, looks like Waddle produces half of what DSmith does. Isn't Smith the more sure thing? I say this with an aversion to trusting any offensive player draft choice by this staff.
Did you look about his complete college carrier? sorry i don't have his stats in mind, i mean he is injured this season for a lot of games so yeah this hurts but waddle is such a crazy athlete his speed is outragous and you can see him being more of a complete wr than ruggs. I like Smith a lot as wel and would celebrate to get one of them, some think he is to light i don't mind this
 
Parsons will almost certainly be first off the board. Too many gifts. He moves at a different speed which is scary bc I think he's a tick slow diagnosing stuff. Super athlete though.

I think everyone interested should watch Mike Rose and Tony Fields. Fields is a long shot but so fun. Rose made himself some money this year. Could be this year's Matt Milano. He's played over 500 snaps at LB & Slot the past two years at 6'3/240. He's been really good in all phases this year.
Looks like a way deeper class then. So we should be able to get an upgrade over our current ILB even in the mid rounds. Would like to get some upgrade there with a LB who can cover. I wil watch them thanks
 
So a redshirt year is anyway almost certain if we draft one. Do you think he can fix that to an nfl level? i mean short intermediate is important in our offense isn't it.
Definitely. My philosophy for rookie QBS is simple. I don't care about stats at all. I want to see the intangibles. Want to see that he belongs. And I want him to kick the door down in terms of winning the QB1 spot and playing time. Not just wun the job but take it and run with it. Like I want to see him take it and have an impact on the whole team not just the offense.
Plus I see a nice fight with our OL, running game. Again ideally we get him round two so we can develop without people calling for him to play right away. Pair him with a nice OL & running game and keep it simple the first year he plays.

I mean fixing mechanics is a tricky issue. As we see with Cam it can be tough fix. That's really on the athlete and those around him. I don't see a huge obstacle and some it might come from experience. Everything is easier once the game slows down and that takes time. Fwiw he has a similar flaw to Cam. At times he'll just release the ball too low. He's 6'4, he should be playing taller.

Anyway I'd rather fix someone who is still a wet piece of clay than a 10 year vet although I do like Cam. I'd just rather fix the young guy still figuring it out than the guy who's tried this and that. Not to mention the injuries.
Yeah totally, esp some teams in the end of first with aging qb or teams who are picking early second and don't want to draft a qb with their first pick

Thank you this provides a good overview
Did he had significant injuries? i remember reading about Wilsons injuries yesterday esp on his throwing shoulder
Yea Wilson had a few last year that he played through.
 
Looks like a way deeper class then. So we should be able to get an upgrade over our current ILB even in the mid rounds. Would like to get some upgrade there with a LB who can cover. I wil watch them thanks
Browning, Collins and O'rien Vance. All are standouts in coverage.
 
Definitely. My philosophy for rookie QBS is simple. I don't care about stats at all. I want to see the intangibles. Want to see that he belongs. And I want him to kick the door down in terms of winning the QB1 spot and playing time. Not just wun the job but take it and run with it. Like I want to see him take it and have an impact on the whole team not just the offense.
Plus I see a nice fight with our OL, running game. Again ideally we get him round two so we can develop without people calling for him to play right away. Pair him with a nice OL & running game and keep it simple the first year he plays.

I mean fixing mechanics is a tricky issue. As we see with Cam it can be tough fix. That's really on the athlete and those around him. I don't see a huge obstacle and some it might come from experience. Everything is easier once the game slows down and that takes time. Fwiw he has a similar flaw to Cam. At times he'll just release the ball too low. He's 6'4, he should be playing taller.

Anyway I'd rather fix someone who is still a wet piece of clay than a 10 year vet although I do like Cam. I'd just rather fix the young guy still figuring it out than the guy who's tried this and that. Not to mention the injuries.

Yea Wilson had a few last year that he played through.
Yeah optimal would be to get him a top playmaker in round one and select him in round 2. I like his size at 6'4, should provide not so much battled passes in theory
I like cam as well and was a supporter of him but ugh i Kind of expected that he would improve his mechanics footwork a bit but it did not go well.
As you mentioned i think our top priority should be a good oline in run and Pass protection when we develop a young qb. Get him some weapons with mismatches and develop the wr/te Corp over time. A strong run game should be the foundation Yeah
Yeah I think its worth the shot to fix ridders issues over cam's issues
 
Browning, Collins and O'rien Vance. All are standouts in coverage.
I can See you like browning, need to watch him tomorrow against clemson will be interesting
We would have to pick collins in round 1 unfortunately..
 
I can See you like browning, need to watch him tomorrow against clemson will be interesting
We would have to pick collins in round 1 unfortunately..
We'll see. One thing I hate about draft season. You get all these prospects you like but know only a few will make it to NE. Right now I'd say after Parsons it's a very close race for LB2 imo. Good thing there is real depth.
 
We'll see. One thing I hate about draft season. You get all these prospects you like but know only a few will make it to NE. Right now I'd say after Parsons it's a very close race for LB2 imo. Good thing there is real depth.
Yeah I agree, there are guys where you think how nice would it be if we could Land this dude he would fit great.

Yeah esp with our need at this Position also regarding potentially HT replacement
 
Reminds me of a smaller Carlos Henderson. Big miss for me but both have this unreal lower half flexibility. Looks like upper and lower are moving in different directions. If I'm KC I'm targeting him if he falls to round two.

 
Alabama has multiple WRs better than any of ours. Every team today seems to have s TE.
 
Yea I think he's gone by round one that looks to be around his value give or take.

It all depends on QB, early. If we're not seeing the value or just don't like the class I'd make a point to trading back up into the first so we have two one's. Or trading back into round two with the thought of using our 3 & 4 for a possible third second.

IOW: Two first or three seconds. We need impact players and have 10+ picks. We can afford and again need the talent.

Again *if* we don't like the QBs and Thuney leaves maybe we try to snag a Pitts or Waddle early and get a Slater, AVT or Davis for inside.

If I'm tasked with reloading this team I'd be pressing for some aggression with the picks. Let me go get the guys you've asked me to scout over the last year.

This is the perfect time for an influx of talent (two top 32 or three top 64 prospects)

Any thoughts? Anyone? Stay patient and let the board fall or come out punching? Again we have 11 picks I believe?
Agree. 100%. Bill needs to be aggressive and get the guys he wants. Value is great and all, but we have a ton of picks and need some speed and playmakers. I don’t see Bill drafting a QB in Rd. 1. Not sure why, but I just don’t. If that’s the case, and it doesn’t appear that there are really any DL or LB’s worth taking where we are at, I’d be okay with trading down a few spots in rd. 1, and jump back up in Rd. 1 for another big talent. 3-4 in top 64? Not sure what the results would be, but it would be exciting.
 
Ridder has a legit NFL whip. + arm talent at times. Easy gas, tons of velocity. Can drop it in a bucket, lead shoulder - accuracy, placement & touch are Inconsistent but some special passes and you bet on arm talent.
At times beautiful deep ball mechanics. Smooth transfer. Smooth lower half, sturdy base feet intact. Easy delivery, tad long but very pretty. Upper half - throwing motion - arm comes down, is a bit low on intermediate/shorter throws. Lower half works, clean for the most part but it's something he can work on.

Physical runner, has wheels and will use them. Has to protect himself a lot better but he's a big threat on the run and move. NFL speed will catch up with him, no more 40+ yard runs but he can hurt you a lot with his legs. He's a truck and can really pick up yards though. Short, tough yards he could be a real big threat as well.

6'4/215 NFL size, arm & attitude. Nice physique that can take another 10-15 pounds easy.

He produced right out the gate as a true FO. 20/5 & 60+% followed up by 18/9 55% & comp 66% this year. Cinci resembles a NFL more than most college teams. Balanced. They ask him to play mistake free. Very few overall TO and turn it up when it matters the most. With his arm or legs.

Has to improve deep accuracy, keep working on and improving his footwork and pocket awareness/presence. The last two aren't problems just he could improve and he has. He's improved in so many areas since his FO year. That tells me he's actually working and a football player. You don't go from flash/potential to where he is without working hard.

He can throw guys open but could improve his eye manipulation and anticipation in terms of not staring down targets. Wants to put it on his shoulders to win every play but plays great within the structure. Executes his offense and plays the "game manager" part that is actually a great complement of a QB's play imo. That tells me his coaches trust him. He can handle running an RPO/RO scheme and just wants to win. He won't sell out his teammates to make plays.

Trevor Lawrence's best asset might be his ability to throw on the run. Particularly away from his dominant side. That's important. Defenses will try to trap you. Ridder's arm is is whip and can just do different things with it. Mobility and ability to throw on the run are huge.

He came on Cinci around 5'11/190 soaking wet. Big-time growth spurt between FO-SO year. Worked hard in the weight room. Hes a worker in all ways. Study's his film and others. Wants to learn. Vocal about football being a team sport. Wants to win and his college career reflects that. 30+ wins and I know wins aren't a QB stat but I'll use it here anyway. It does reflect well on his play, attitude and growth though. He's grown physically and matured big time. He's still a pup but again wants to learn and has shown big time growth in a short time. Ridder had to work for the starting job from day one. He's shown big-time toughness, both mentally and physically. He's been proving himself every day so he's not taking anything for granted. He'll fight for it.

He's a legit JR so he still has 2 good years to where he can improve, adjust and so on and still have a long career. He's not a finished product by any means. I think some teams will love him once the get close to him after the season.

The thing that sticks out is the fact that his coaches trust him in big moments. Cinci wants to play balanced ball and not take many chances. So he didn't have as many chances to show off but when the game was on the line. High leverage plays/situations. His coaches asked him to make a play.

+ Arm, Intangibles-Tough, Mobile

- Has to work on decision making and improve those mechanics on some passes









As always, I appreciate the incredible detail you provide in your analysis.

I'm surprised to see Ridder mentioned here, and you even mention his weakness I'm afraid that wouldn't be great in NE: His decision making. Streaky accuracy. Not the best at reading a defense and working with it.

These seem to be some of the worst "cons" a QB could have in NE. That being said, you're far more educated on his play than I am, so I'm willing to concede that what I'm pointing out is either not a big deal OR not even all that true.
 
Agree. 100%. Bill needs to be aggressive and get the guys he wants. Value is great and all, but we have a ton of picks and need some speed and playmakers. I don’t see Bill drafting a QB in Rd. 1. Not sure why, but I just don’t. If that’s the case, and it doesn’t appear that there are really any DL or LB’s worth taking where we are at, I’d be okay with trading down a few spots in rd. 1, and jump back up in Rd. 1 for another big talent. 3-4 in top 64? Not sure what the results would be, but it would be exciting.
All depends on the board but I like this idea. We have a 3rd and three 4ths I believe so plenty of shots for depth. We need a few guys that can make an impact 2021-2022.
 
As always, I appreciate the incredible detail you provide in your analysis.

I'm surprised to see Ridder mentioned here, and you even mention his weakness I'm afraid that wouldn't be great in NE: His decision making. Streaky accuracy. Not the best at reading a defense and working with it.

These seem to be some of the worst "cons" a QB could have in NE. That being said, you're far more educated on his play than I am, so I'm willing to concede that what I'm pointing out is either not a big deal OR not even all that true.
Yea I see where someone could come away with that. Those are the same types of concerns you'll get with Lance to a lesser extent and he's a projected lottery pick. So in terms of value it's a big plus for Ridder who doesn't have anywhere near the hype Lance has. Played in a better conference, against better competition.

He is a little bit of project but I'll gamble on his competitiveness, toughness and upside if the price is right.
 


I have him as a cross between Calvin Ridley and Doug Baldwin


 
Yea I see where someone could come away with that. Those are the same types of concerns you'll get with Lance to a lesser extent and he's a projected lottery pick. So in terms of value it's a big plus for Ridder who doesn't have anywhere near the hype Lance has. Played in a better conference, against better competition.

He is a little bit of project but I'll gamble on his competitiveness, toughness and upside if the price is right.
Ah, good point - I hadn't factored in the value of him, based on where he should be picked.
 
Please consider reviewing possible first day picks in TE Pat Freiermuth of Penn State, OT Alex Leatherwood of Alabama, and second (or later) day possible selections in WR Reggie Roberson of SMU and Ohio State’s DE Jonathan Cooper and ILB Pete Werner.

I want them all—and then some.
 
Please consider reviewing possible first day picks in TE Pat Freiermuth of Penn State, OT Alex Leatherwood of Alabama, and second (or later) day possible selections in WR Reggie Roberson of SMU and Ohio State’s DE Jonathan Cooper and ILB Pete Werner.

I want them all—and then some.
I'll do Leatherwood next. Plenty of film on him. Robertson was almost on my list. I like Freiermuth but not in love with him. Think he could be a really solid player. Better stalk blocker than inline at this point.

Anyone on this list that shouldn't be? Someone I should add?

I'm open to suggestions if anyone has any? Like I had Ruckert on the board but took him off. Lot of guys I'm on the fence about but want to keep the board as small as possible.

@KontradictioN you think I should take Slaton off?
 
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